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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The example I just posted of  "IBIFA
      with an anti-defection device"  failing FBC I'm afraid also works
      for both Mike's suggested <br>
      "Conditional Bucklin" and Forest's suggested "TopMiddleBottom".<br>
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      20: F=C >>B<br>
      07: F > C=B   (or, for the sake of Forest's method suggestion,
      F >> C=B)<br>
      25: B<br>
      48: W<br>
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      All three of these methods elect W, but if the 20 F=C >> B
      voters change their rating of F from Top to Middle or Bottom<br>
      then the winner changes to B.<br>
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      Chris Benham<br>
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      On 11/6/2016 12:10 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Hi Forest--<br>
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                  By "vote-receiving", I just wanted that to refer to
                  the candidate who's being considered for receiving the
                  conditional vote.<br>
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                Jameson has just demonstrated that my Conditional
                Approval fails FBC.<br>
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              Most likely, that means that my Conditional(u) Bucklin
              fails FBC too.<br>
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            Now, hopefully your proposal, &/or Chris's Unconditional
            Bucklin passes FBC.<br>
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          I've just now found your posting. I hope that your method or
          Chris's meets FBC.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Forest
          Simmons <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      Because it's so brief, let me state the
                      conditional(u) option, for<br>
                      Approval, and for Bucklin:<br>
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                      Approval:<br>
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                      If a ballot conditionally approves a candidate,
                      then it gives an approval<br>
                      to that candidate only if that vote-receiving
                      candidate has more<br>
                      unconditional approvals than does any candidate
                      unconditionally approved by<br>
                      that ballot.<br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">I don't see the purpose of the
                  qualifier "vote-receiving;" It seems to me that if a
                  candidate has more (unconditional) approvals than some
                  other candidate, then it is ipso facto
                  "vote-receiving."<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_extra">It could also be called
                    TopMiddleBottom.  <br>
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                    Voters mark candidates Top, Middle, or Bottom., with
                    default Bottom.<br>
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                  In the first round count, ballots contribute support
                  only to their Top rated candidates. Then if (on some
                  ballot) a Middle rated candidate has a better chance
                  of winning (according to the first round totals) than
                  any candidate that is Top rated by that ballot, then
                  that ballot promotes that candidate to Top status for
                  the purposes of the final count.<br>
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              <div>In other words, the Middle mark is a fall-back or
                conditional approval mark.<br>
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