<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>So XA fails Participation. So what? Participation is just one of those "could-look-bad" criteria, like the Plurality Criterion. <br><br></div>We all know that if you want anything that Approval & Score don't offer, then you have to pay for it, with "could-look-bad" criterion-failures. <br><br></div>And the more you want, the more "could-look-bad" you have to accept.<br><br></div>Plain MMPO is tops in important strategy criteria and properties, and so, it has the most could-look-bad.<br></div><div>...which has been shown to not significantly wrong anyone or be a genuine problem.<br><br></div>As I've been saying, improvements on Approval are mostly or entirely illusory. <br><br></div>wv strategy could be some strategy improvement, but it's a bit questionable. But, in addition to FBC & wv strategy, Plain MMPO offers full reliable Weak CD compliance. (Its failure of strong CD is mitigated by its wv strategy's burial-deterrence.).<br><br></div>It's difficult to improve on Approval, but, if any method can, in some meaningful way, Plain MMPO is the method that best qualifies for that claim.<br><br></div><div>You get what you pay for.<br><br></div><div>Michael Ossipoff<br></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Forest Simmons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fsimmons@pcc.edu" target="_blank">fsimmons@pcc.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It looks like we'll have to settle for mono-add-plump.<div><div class="h5"><br><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Toby Pereira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tdp201b@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">tdp201b@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"><div><span></span></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6749" dir="ltr">I think Chiastic Approval would fail participation, assuming I've done this right. Take the following ballots with scores out of 100:</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6634"><br></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6661">2 voters: A=50, B=40</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6662">1 voter: A=50, B=60</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6663"><br></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6693" dir="ltr">A would have a score of 50. B would have a score of 40. </div></div></div></blockquote><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6693" dir="ltr">Everyone gives B a score of at least 40, and only a third give B a score higher. Now imagine there are two extra voters and we have these ballots:</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6726" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6733" dir="ltr">2 voters: A=50, B=40</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6744" dir="ltr">1 voter: A=50, B=60</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6745" dir="ltr">2 voters: A=100, B=60</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6757" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588qtdSeparateBR" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6758" dir="ltr">A still has a score of 50, but B now has a score of 60. So these two ballots cause B to overtake A despite them both preferring A to B.<br><br></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yahoo_quoted" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6567" style="display:block"> <blockquote id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6566" style="padding-left:5px;margin-top:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left-color:rgb(16,16,255);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid"> <div id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6565" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"> <div id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6564" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"> <div id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6563" dir="ltr"> <font id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6562" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Forest Simmons <<a href="mailto:fsimmons@pcc.edu" target="_blank">fsimmons@pcc.edu</a>><br> </font></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588y_msg_container" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6574"><div id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yiv9852368392"><div id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6575" dir="ltr"><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yiv9852368392gmail_quote" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6578"><div id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6577" dir="ltr"><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yiv9852368392MsoNormal" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6588"><br></div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yiv9852368392MsoNormal" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6587">Does it satisfy Participation?</div><div class="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yiv9852368392MsoNormal" id="m_3145419791271105772m_-8737486049646396588yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477659719414_6586"><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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