<p dir="ltr">(Replying farther down)</p>
<p dir="ltr">On Oct 6, 2016 2:14 AM, "Toby Pereira" <<a href="mailto:tdp201b@yahoo.co.uk">tdp201b@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I agree. I don't find it compelling at all. For any deterministic Condorcet method, I could devise another one where the winner pairwise beats the winner of that one more often than vice versa. Someone could have a method they call BEST METHOD. Then all I have to do is say under my new method, elect the Condorcet winner if there is one. If there isn't, elect a candidate that pairwise beats the winner using BEST METHOD, if there is one (pick at random if there's more than one). Otherwise just pick the same winner as BEST METHOD.</p>
<p dir="ltr">(endquote)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sorry, no good.</p>
<p dir="ltr">MAM's winner doesn't beat Schulze's winner in that contrived manner.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The MAM winner beats the Schulze winner for a simple, obvious reason:</p>
<p dir="ltr">MAM doesn't disregard a defeat unnecessarily or without obvious, compelling justification. Schulze does.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Look at the brief, simple, natural & obvious MAM definition that I posted.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Michael Ossipoff<br>
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>> From: C.Benham <<a href="mailto:cbenham@adam.com.au">cbenham@adam.com.au</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:election-methods@lists.electorama.com">election-methods@lists.electorama.com</a> <br>
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2016, 4:26<br>
>> Subject: Re: [EM] MAM vs Schulze<br>
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>> Marcus,<br>
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>> That chance of that happening in a real public election is close enough to zero, so therefore "MAM versus Shulze" <br>
>> strikes me as pointless.<br>
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>> And if it didn't I wouldn't find the argument that one's winner pairwise beats the other's a small proportion of times more<br>
>> than vice versa very compelling.<br>
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>> Chris Benham<br>
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