<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"><div><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3897" dir="ltr">I agree. I don't find it compelling at all. For any deterministic Condorcet method, I could devise another one where the winner pairwise beats the winner of that one more often than vice versa. Someone could have a method they call BEST METHOD. Then all I have to do is say under my new method, elect the Condorcet winner if there is one. If there isn't, elect a candidate that pairwise beats the winner using BEST METHOD, if there is one (pick at random if there's more than one). Otherwise just pick the same winner as BEST METHOD.<br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3793" style="display: block;"> <blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3792" style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3791" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3790" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3831" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3830" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3896"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> C.Benham <cbenham@adam.com.au><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> election-methods@lists.electorama.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 6 October 2016, 4:26<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [EM] MAM vs Schulze<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3789"><br><div id="yiv0169988242"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3788">
<div class="yiv0169988242moz-cite-prefix" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475744064188_3787">Marcus,<br clear="none">
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That chance of that happening in a real public election is close
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And if it didn't I wouldn't find the argument that one's winner
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Chris Benham<br clear="none">
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