<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span>Hello York,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76827"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76826">It's not a stupid idea at all, it's intuitive and pleasing and I guess that many of us have thought of it. However, it damages one of IRV's major strengths, which means one can't propose it as a strict improvement.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76827"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76827"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_77028">The problem is that under IRV, you may vote "A>B" and have confidence that your vote for B will not be used until A is no longer an option. But if "eliminating" A does not mean that A is actually removed from contention, there is a possibility that your lower preference for B will help to elect B, when if you had only voted "A" (a bullet vote), the method would have elected A. This could cause voters to be more reluctant to express lower preferences.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76827"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76827"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_77107">This is not to say that I think the method is worse than IRV. It's just that it becomes a different type of method where there are a lot more ideas to compete with (many Condorcet methods, Bucklin, approval-elimination runoff, etc.).</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76827"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76827"><span>Kevin</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76825"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76776" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76775"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76774"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76820"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76819"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76823"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> York W. &/or Lois G. Porter <porter@kih.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> election-methods@lists.electorama.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Vendredi 12 août 2016 15h24<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> [EM] Keeping Candidates in Subsequent Rounds of Instant Runoff Voting<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471100888919_76773"><br>Friday, August 12, 2016<br>3:05 pm CDT<br><br>Hi,<br><br>I'm a big time "newbie" here. Wasn't able, for some reason, to search the <br>existing messages so I thought I'd stick my neck out and ask a probably <br>stupid question.<br><br>In the IRV election method, I don't understand the rationale of eliminating <br>the lowest vote getter in each round. In a simple example, let's say there <br>are four candidates. Let's say A, B, and C get thirty percent of the vote <br>on the first round. Candidate D gets ten percent. Normally Candidate D is <br>eliminated even though s/he might be the choice of 90 percent of folks in <br>the second round.<br><br>Wouldn't it make sense to simply just leave everyone in each round and <br>continue to run the tally until someone has a majortity? If more than one <br>candidate, if the thing drug out, got a majority, one could use the one <br>that was the "most popular" (had the greatest total) at that point. If <br>there was a tie after at least two candidates had a majority, one could use <br>"drawing lots".<br><br>I'm sure there is something I'm missing here but the eliminating of a <br>candidate that might be basically relatively popular and a good compromise <br>candidate seemed to be a problem to me. Apologies if this one is totally <br>stupid. I've searched on-line without success at finding the answer. One <br>expert wrote back that it would cause problems but didn't specify what the <br>problems would be. Any help clarifying this for me will be appreciated.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>York<br><br><br><br>----<br>Election-Methods mailing list - see <a href="http://electorama.com/em" target="_blank">http://electorama.com/em </a>for list info<br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>