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<big><big><big><small>Hello Robert,<br>
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The reply from Kristofer seems a fair description of Meek
STV. That is so far as I understand the usual technical
language used on this list. <br>
The thing about Meek method is that it seems to offer only a
marginal improvement in fairness on traditional STV, at a
great cost in extra complexity. It has to be
computer-counted, after all.<br>
But this is deceptive. Meek method introduces a new and key
concept: the re-adjustable keep value.<br>
<br>
As I have explained before, on this list, this idea made
possible my system of Binomial STV, which extends keep
values to candidates in deficit, as well as in surplus of a
quota. When every candidate has a quantified keep value
irrespective of being elected or not, in a given count, that
means a candidate only needs to have a keep value that is
elective, as an average of more than one count. <br>
The bi- in Binomial STV means there are two basic kinds of
count: the usual election count of preference votes, and a
new rational exclusion count of voters preferences in
reverse order. Exclusion keep values are inverted to make
them comparable and averagable with election keep values. <br>
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This proper exclusion count, in its own right, does away
with the problem of premature exclusion of candidates, and
sets the system apart from all the worlds present electoral
systems, which rely on arbitrary exclusions of candidates or
parties.<br>
This theoretical improvement has its most dramatic impact on
single vacancy elections, where premature exclusion of
candidates is at its grossest.<br>
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The simplest (first order) Binomial STV procedure consists
of averaging one election count with one exclusion count.<br>
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In order for the exclusion count not to be given undue
importance, compared to the election count,
(abstentions-inclusive keep-value averaged) Binomial STV
counts all preferences, including abstentions, which if they
reach a quota, leave a seat unfilled.<br>
Kristofer recently supplied an artificially simple STV
election for me to show how the system would work. And I
have previously posted the link:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.voting.ukscientists.com/Binomial_STV.html">http://www.voting.ukscientists.com/Binomial_STV.html</a><br>
<br>
I would like to persuade some organisation to do preliminary
trials on Binomial STV.<br>
It would need to be coded, from where the Meek STV computer
program leaves off. Unlike Meek method, there would be no
successive reduction of the Droop quota, as the preferences
run out with each round. This obviously follows from the
fact that Binomial STV counts all preferences, including
abstentions, maximising (preference) information, a basic
goal of scientific progress.<br>
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from<br>
Richard Lung.<br>
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On 15/03/2016 01:39, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
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cite="mid:ade7abb5a2089692b90cc5c582bcf57e.squirrel@webmail04.register.com"
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<p>maybe it was because i wasn't paying attention, but i hadn't
even heard of this until looking into elections for moderators
at Stack Exchange.</p>
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<p>also, are Jeff O'Neill and/or Chuck Sipos of OpaVote.com on
this EM mailing list? would you be willing to discuss
here the ideas your website promotes regarding the "Best way to
elect..."?</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.opavote.com/2015/11/electing-single-person.html">http://blog.opavote.com/2015/11/electing-single-person.html</a></p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.opavote.com/2016/02/best-methods-for-electing-group-of.html">http://blog.opavote.com/2016/02/best-methods-for-electing-group-of.html</a></p>
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<p>also, what to others on this list think of Meek STV?
i would love to hear pros and cons?</p>
<p>and can we discuss Condorcet methods for multi-winner
elections?</p>
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r b-j <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rbj@audioimagination.com">rbj@audioimagination.com</a></p>
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge."</p>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Richard Lung.
E-books (mostly available free or reader-sets-price)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.voting.ukscientists.com/colverse.html">http://www.voting.ukscientists.com/colverse.html</a>
Includes the series of books on:
Democracy Science (starting with electoral reform and research);
Commentaries (literature and liberty; science and democracy);
Collected verse (in five books).</pre>
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