<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Fred Gohlke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fredgohlke@verizon.net" target="_blank">fredgohlke@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Good Morning, Alexander<br>
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re: Thats the "bottom-up-process" which only works if<span class=""><br>
people start to get organized in order to be able<br>
to act collaboratively in constructive ways.<br>
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Your point that people must "act collaboratively in constructive ways" is both accurate and vital. The question is how to get them organized to do that. Your suggestion, "If everyone would start to run their "private life" as if they would run a business ...", will not happen because humans are not lemmings. Can we come up with a better approach?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly thats the reason why the trend will be to run one's private life as a business and get organized, because: "People are not lemmings".<br>Currently most people ARE LEMMINGS (sometimes labeled "zombies") who blindly follow what employers tell them, because they fail to see the big picture of what their corporation is doing in society. If people would start to collaborate as independent "self employed" freelancers, they need to reflect WAY MORE - so they are way less likely to become lemmings.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">re: ... everything that needs some kind of "orchestration<span class=""><br>
effort" will always be done by politicians or managers<br>
in corporations, because "private individuals" are not<br>
capable of that degree of orchestration.<br>
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That's a good observation. It's close enough to accurate to show why events like those in Frome, U.K. (that started this discussion) are so rare. Have you seen the news report of how the people of Frome replaced all the party politicians in their town council with independents? It is an inspiring case that shows a community *can* rally to support a good idea. You'll find it at:<br>
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<a href="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/22/flatpack-democracy-peoples-republic-of-frome?CMP=share_btn_fb" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/22/flatpack-democracy-peoples-republic-of-frome?CMP=share_btn_fb</a><br>
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When you read it, I wonder if you would be good enough to describe any weak points in what they have accomplished. My concern is how they can ensure that future candidates for town council will also be independent. Will IfF not become a party itself? How can that be avoided? How can the town council update their electoral process to ensure that every member of the community can participate in the political process to the full extent of each individual's desire and ability?</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Interesting.<br>I think they will become "some kind of party", by the fact that those people "work" together on a daily basis and they get to know each other and they synchronize their thoughts over time, while people in every day life engage in other things and some might start to not be strongly in touch with whomever they support.<br>The best approach would be to upgrade all the things with digital technology - because if you look beyond "technology", what it is is just an opportunity of increased connectedness of everyone with everyone else at all times, having lightning fast communication (maybe even semi-automated), so that people can participate in a more self employed way.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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Fred Gohlke<br>
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