<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Fred Gohlke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fredgohlke@verizon.net" target="_blank">fredgohlke@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Good Afternoon, Alexander Praetorius<br>
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I've reviewed your comments a couple of times and find elements worthy of note.<br>
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It seems to me you stress self-reliance as the cornerstone of democracy and equate self-reliance to self-employment. Don't we need to recognize that the opportunities for self-employment are more restricted than they once were? The old saying, "Go West, young man.", doesn't have the promise it had years ago. Opening your own sandwich shop is pretty tough when chains of fast-food joints flood the community.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Becoming "Self Employed" is as easy as it was NEVER BEFORE.</div><div><ul><li>self-reliance is not the same as self-employment, but....<br>While self-reliance is possible as an employee, it's totally passive. You do as you have been told. You execute goals set by employers. You do not judge what you have been told to do, you execute and use your skills and knowledge to do so to the best of your ability and in return you get paid. Employees do not participate in shaping the world around them based on their values/morals/philosophies/worldview/... however you might want to call it.</li><li>Self-Employed, not in the sense of freelancers that work like mercenaries, but Self-employed in the sense of being a small-scale entrepreneur amongst many many other entrepreneurs have to participate in shaping reality consciously. They have to think about what kind of business to pursue.</li><li>Being "Self Employed" means, being an active participatory citizen in the market economy (it's a direct democracy with some unusual rules). Being an employee or something similar means, delegating your power to your representative, which is your boss ... which might delegate it even further... to his boss, and so on...</li></ul></div><div>Another thought to think about:<br><ul><li>Every employee is hired for a certain set of skills to do a certain amount of work and get paid for it. A big corporation might have a lot of revenue, but very simplified, this revenue is shared amongst a lot of employees. Each employee has some colleagues or is part of a team that has to coordinate itself with other teams, offering some team-specific or business-unit-specific services to other teams. Why wouldnt that team be viewed as an agency - and why wouldnt that agency be viewed as self employed people who work together for the duration of a project and doing that over and over for many projects - with the possibility that some members of that "agency" might also work in other "agencies" on some other projects.<br>With the help of the internet and the many tools that help people to do "project management", "time tracking", "invoicing", "business dashboards" and so on... the administrative overhead becomes so simple, that indeed everyone can afford to "manage himself" easily.</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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We may disagree about the importance of self-employment, but we are in agreement about a basic need of society. You said, the people "... have to start co-deciding with the people they meet every day and about the way they want to do business". I would say the people have to start co-deciding with the people they meet every day and about the way they want to be governed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Who are the people met by people every day? Many people work 40h+ every week and the people they meet are their colleagues at work. In the evening, many people are exhausted and want to relax and spend time with family and friends and not talk about politics (as it is perceived as "work"). Certain Scientists and Politicians might talk about politics and society, but probably they do so during their working hours and not when they come home and relax with their kids or families or friends.<br><br><b>A day has 24 hours. </b>People might sleep 8 of those hours. They might eat and shop and clean and go to the toilet and shower and lots of stuff 1-2 hours a day.<br>They got to work for 8 hours, but they also commute back and forth, so that might be then 9 h.<br><b>Which leaves 5 hours a day for doing whatever they want...</b></div><div>From my experience, those 5 hours are spent with the family or with friends to relax or doing some sports or other kinds of "consumer activities" (where they can choose from what is available, which is decided in part by what they "demand") ... but in part by what is decided by "their bosses" (because as an employee they do not participate in that process)<br><br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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You continue, "... Only if they do that, they will discover and want more influence in all kinds of aspects of their lives....", and you are right. You echo the thoughts of Dr. Alasdair MacIntyre, who said that politics should be "a conception of political activity as one aspect of the everyday activity of every adult capable of engaging in it". He went on to say, "Human beings, as the kind of creatures we are, need the internal goods/goods of excellence that can only be acquired through participation in politics if we are to flourish. Therefore, everyone must be allowed to have access to the political decision-making process."<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Which in practice has to happen at work, so that people can practice this participation and get some experience and expertise.<br>When would be the time in which they do that? What kind of luxury is that activity anyway if it is not integrated in everyone's profession?</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Because of the similarity in your views, you might enjoy The Political Philosophy of Alasdair MacIntyre in The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, at:<br>
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<a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/p-macint.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/p-macint.htm</a><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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Fred Gohlke<br>
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