<div dir="ltr">Help people to become self employed (sole proprietors or owners of 1-person limited liability company)<br>Thats where democracy starts.<br><br>What are we mumbeling about democracy when 40+ hours every week - people go to work and do what they are told to do.<br>They have to start co-deciding with the people they meet every day and about the way they want to do business.<br><br>A "Ltd." can be founded and maintained these days for as cheap as 30 GBP a month flat price... this is something everyone can afford and it can be managed online.<br>At the click of a button, people could "invite" others to collaborate (thus join their business) ... Everyone can have a personal "HOLDING Ltd." which ones 0+ other Ltd. for all the entrepreneurial projects they are engaging in. This kind of culture has to happen and.... THE TIME IS NOW :-) The "self employed sector" is growing like never before - and if you already have to create:<br>"Model Article Of Association" (which can be enforced by an APP), then this is how people can start to practice democracy in every day life.<br><br>Only if they do that, they will discover and want more influence in all kinds of aspects of their lives.... if they do not make that step, they will stay wage slaves forever...<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Fred Gohlke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fredgohlke@verizon.net" target="_blank">fredgohlke@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Good Morning, Steve<br>
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This will be a slow process. Empowering the people is not a trivial issue. It has many facets.<br>
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re: I see each person's somewhat different 'internal<span class=""><br>
proportionality' as what would guide each citizen<br></span>
as how to participate or not ...<br>
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I agree, particularly with regard to "each citizen". A democratic process is (or, rather, should be) bottom-up. It must be inclusive but it cannot be coercive. Each of us must be allowed to participate in the political process to the full extent of our desire and ability. In the U. S., the people have been excluded from the political process for so long that many of them have been schooled in the art of disinterest. Such people will not trust an inclusive process until they have seen it work.<br>
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When we devise an inclusive democratic process, some people will participate, others will learn to participate, and some will never participate. From the point of view of the community, those who will not participate in its government add no value to the political process. However, all the rest do, so the first step in devising an inclusive process must be to distinguish between the two types of citizens. It has been shown, by Archon Fung of Harvard and many others, that, when people who want to participate in the political process, deliberate on the issues that concern the community, their efforts can be productive.<br>
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re: ... in electing a rep, e.g. to choose which candidate(s)<br>
to rank.<br>
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This raises the most important question in politics: Who names the candidates? I see you mentioned this issue, as follows:<br>
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re: During APR's primary election you would rank (1,2,3, etc.)<span class=""><br>
all the voluntary, social organizations that had applied<br>
directly to elect their own rep(s) during the next general<br>
election, i.e applied to the central electoral commission to<br></span>
become and official electoral 'association' ... You would<span class=""><br>
rank these according to the degree to which each organization<br>
seemed to mirror your own.<br>
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How would I know, with any degree of certainty, the aims of the organizations? Is AARP an organization to help retired people or a marketing enterprise? Is it reasonable to think the lay citizen will do the exhaustive research necessary to rank the multitude of organizations seeking to increase their power and influence by placing an advocate in the government?<br>
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You mentioned sending me a more complete explanation of APR. I'd like to see the explanation of the groundwork. I don't think it's difficult to arrange for the people to decide who they want to represent them in their government and I'm anxious to see your approach. I may offer a counter-suggestion as a step in the slow process of re-thinking our political infrastructure.<br>
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Oh, yes. I'd better mention that I don't have the latest computer doo-dads. I do all my work in a DOS environment and copy it to Windows 2000 when I go on the internet. There are some 'flash' things that don't work on my computer.<br>
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Am I old-fashioned? Yup. I'm 86. I work in text, learning new whizz-bangs doesn't appeal to me.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Fred Gohlke<br>
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