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On 7/24/2014 8:39 AM, Toby Pereira wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm a bit late to the whole winning votes / margins /
losing votes thing, but my immediate thought here is how well
losing votes would handle clones. If C is a clone of B but the
less favoured in the party, in A v B, B will rarely, if ever,
be ranked fully bottom, whereas the uncloned A could be. So
would this favour B in a cycle?</div>
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Toby, <br>
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No. <br>
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It sounds like you have misunderstood Losing Votes (equal-ranking
whole) in some way.<br>
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If you can give a specific example election (set of ballots) to
illustrate your concern, I'll respond in more detail.<br>
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Chris<br>
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C.Benham <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cbenham@adam.com.au"><cbenham@adam.com.au></a><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, 23 July 2014, 20:00<br>
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Re: [EM] margin vs winning votes<br>
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BTW, I don't like either of Winning Votes or Margins.
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alternatives that are equivalent to both when all the
voters give a<br clear="none">
full strict ranking I think the best is Losing Votes
(erw). Ballots <br clear="none">
that equal-rank candidates A and B both above at
least one other<br clear="none">
candidate are counted in the pairwise contest between
A and B as giving <br clear="none">
a whole vote to each. Ballots that rank A and B
equal-bottom<br clear="none">
(or truncate A and B) count as zero to both in their
pairwise contest. <br clear="none">
The method considers that the greater the number of
votes<br clear="none">
on the losing side, the weaker the pairwise defeat.<br
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And not limiting ourselves to alternatives that are
equivalent to <br clear="none">
Margins and Winning Votes (and Losing Votes) when all
the voters<br clear="none">
give a full strict ranking, I think better still is
"MinMax Losing <br clear="none">
Votes (erw) Margins", which I first suggested in April
this year.<br clear="none">
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