<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span></span></div><div>I'm a bit late to the whole winning votes / margins / losing votes thing, but my immediate thought here is how well losing votes would handle clones. If C is a clone of B but the less favoured in the party, in A v B, B will rarely, if ever, be ranked fully bottom, whereas the uncloned A could be. So would this favour B in a cycle?</div><div><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div dir="ltr"><div
style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> C.Benham <cbenham@adam.com.au><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> election-methods@lists.electorama.com <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 23 July 2014, 20:00<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [EM] margin vs winning votes<br></font> </div><div><br><br clear="none"><br clear="none">BTW, I don't like either of Winning Votes or Margins. Of the <br clear="none">alternatives that are equivalent to both when all the voters give a<br clear="none">full strict ranking I think the best is Losing Votes (erw). Ballots <br clear="none">that equal-rank candidates A and B both above at least one
other<br clear="none">candidate are counted in the pairwise contest between A and B as giving <br clear="none">a whole vote to each. Ballots that rank A and B equal-bottom<br clear="none">(or truncate A and B) count as zero to both in their pairwise contest. <br clear="none">The method considers that the greater the number of votes<br clear="none">on the losing side, the weaker the pairwise defeat.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">And not limiting ourselves to alternatives that are equivalent to <br clear="none">Margins and Winning Votes (and Losing Votes) when all the voters<br clear="none">give a full strict ranking, I think better still is "MinMax Losing <br clear="none">Votes (erw) Margins", which I first suggested in April this year.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a href="http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2014-April/097935.html" target="_blank"
shape="rect">http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2014-April/097935.html</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Chris Benham<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div></div></div></body></html>