<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Hi Robert,</span></div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">De :</span></b> robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com><br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">À :</span></b> election-methods@lists.electorama.com <br class="" style=""> <b
class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 22 juillet 2014 20h17<br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Objet :</span></b> Re: [EM] Retiring from voting systems, quitting EM<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div></div></div><blockquote style="border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">On 7/22/14 7:11 PM, Forest Simmons wrote:</div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">> Like Chris Benham, Kevin Venzke, and others I owe a lot to Mike Ossipoff.</div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">></div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">> He patiently explained difficult concepts by repeating the same </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">> concepts in different words until reaching the simplest formulation. </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">> This was a tremendous help for me when I didn't see the point of </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">> "winning votes" versus "margins" fourteen years ago (for
example).</div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">i still don't see the point. a vote for your guy is +1, a vote for the </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">other guy is -1, and a vote for neither counts for 0.</div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">whether is Schulze or Tideman or Kemeny–Young or Simpson-Kramer the </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div
style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">disappointment of the losing voter counts as much (but in the other </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">direction) as the satisfaction of the winning voter. vote margins are </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">the product of the percent decisiveness times the vote turnout. an
</div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">pairwise election that's virtually tied with a huge turnout might not be </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">as indicative of voter intent with a slightly lower turnout but a very </div></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida
Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style="">decisive, creating a larger margin.</div></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Those of us who don't like margins tend to focus on strategic implications </div><div class="" style="">more than <span style="font-size: 12pt;">on the philosophy behind it. That said, it bothers me that (given</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">that there </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">is only one seat to win) many voters won't want their candidates</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">to win </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">their contests. For example t</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">he supporters of a not-really-contending</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Far Left candidate get no benefit when a Far Left>Center Left contest</span><br></div><div class="" style="">is respected, if the real result is that Center Left>Right is overturned with</div><div class="" style="">the election going to Right.</div><div class="" style=""><br></div><div class="" style="">I would rather look at what happens in the end and what could have <span style="font-size: 12pt;">happened</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">if people had voted differently. For example in this case I </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">see that the </span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">presence of Far Left evidently threw the election to Right, </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">so that next time</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Far Left voters might compromise, or the Far Left candidate </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">might </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">decide</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(or be pressured) not to run again. Whereas, if Left had simply </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">been elected</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in the first place, I don't see anyone who would then wish that they had voted</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">in some other way.</span></div><div class="" style=""><br></div><div class="" style="">WV is more to my taste here because <span style="font-size: 12pt;">the </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">raw "winning </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">votes" you can </span></div><div
class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">command </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">correlates pretty well with your </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">viability as a candidate. Minor</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">candidates' wins don't stick, making it safer to vote for them.</span></div><div class="" style=""><br></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Kevin</span></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>