<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">When I replied to this, I forgot to add EM to the "To:" field. So I'm now posting this reply:</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Forest Simmons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fsimmons@pcc.edu" target="_blank">fsimmons@pcc.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Mike,<br><br></div>in one of your articles you mentioned that voters do not tend to strategize in polls.<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div> </div></div><div>Yes, voting in the polls at Condornet Internet Voting Service (CIVS) seems to be sincere, because top cycles for 1st place in the output ranking are rare. I don't know if I've ever noticed one. That at least shows that successful strategy, in thre form ofchicken-dilemma defection, or of offensive truncation or burial, isn't happening. </div>
<div> </div><div>CIVS has a number of political polls, about 2012 presidential candidates, U.S. political parties, and categories of political parties.</div><div> </div><div>CIVS is at <a href="http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html" target="_blank">http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html</a></div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><br></div>So from the polls we can estimate the MAM winner, and then publish the Nash equilibrium votes necessary under Benham to achieve that winner. <br>
<br></div>There is no guarantee that the voters will take the advice or that the popularity of the candidates won't change between the polls and election day, but it might be better than nothing.<br></div></div></blockquote>
<div> </div></div><div>Yes, if people vote as sincerely in big national pre-election polls as they do at CIVS, then that poll, followed by the publication of the MAM winner and the strategy that would elect hir at Nash equilibrium in Benham, would mean that, even though MAM itself doesn't meet CD, and MAM's SFC and SDSC are incompatible with CD, it would still be easy to elect an ideal majoritarian winner (MAM's winner) in a method (Benham) that doesn't have chicken dilemma.</div>
<div> </div><div>It shows that, even when giving up SDSC and SFC in order to get CD, there's still a way to make it easy to get what was given up.</div><div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Even if IRV were the adopted method, you could do the same thing as far as possible. Then also publish the Benham equilibrium position so that the voters could see how much less they would have to distort their true preferences to achieve the same result under Benham.<br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div></div><div>And maybe also announce the voted CW, pointing out that Benham would have electe hir, to show how Benham would avoid drastic strategy need for voters who aren't in a mutual majority (MM). Though I think IRV is fine for the Green scenario, due to its compliance with MMC and CD (plus the bonus of LNHa and LNHe), Benham is better if you're concerned that you might not be in a MM, or if you want to avoid vulnerability to replacement of the voting system by a dis-satisfied majority. </div>
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<div> </div><div>Michael Ossipoff</div></font></span></div></div>
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