Dear all,<div><br></div><div>86 emails in this discussion is quite a lot to read to catch up on the discussion on this topic.</div><div>Maybe a summary could be in place, in case you have agreed upon something, or someone has come up with some great idea.</div>
<div>Thx.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div>Peter Zborník<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/2 Michael Allan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@zelea.com" target="_blank">mike@zelea.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> ... Are P-Q-R-S-T separate groups (parties?), each with members<br>
> making nominations? ...<br>
<br>
They are primary processes, i.e. for selecting candidates prior to the<br>
official election. So the unreformed ones are party primaries, yes.<br>
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> ... When you say "at least two are reformed processes, are you<br>
> speaking of groups with open nominations? ...<br>
<br>
One could be the process you and Juho were mooting, and another could<br>
feature open nominations, yes.<br>
<br>
> ... Are the percentages the percent of the groups' membership or of<br>
> the entire electorate?<br>
<br>
Of the entire electorate.<br>
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Fred Gohlke said:<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> Good Afternoon, Michael<br>
><br>
> In response to your July 29th post on a different thread:<br>
><br>
> re: "I guess we can safely assume that reforms (whatever they<br>
> are) will not begin with the official electoral process.<br>
> It is too difficult to change and too easy to circumvent.<br>
> What matters is the selection of candidates, namely the<br>
> primary electoral process. Right?"<br>
><br>
> Yes, we are discussing a possible method of selecting candidates. We<br>
> arrived at this particular idea by assuming that parties still operate<br>
> in more or less the same way they do today, but that everyone has the<br>
> right to nominate candidates for public office - party members within<br>
> parties and unrepresented people (in the 'party' sense) as a separate group.<br>
><br>
><br>
> re: "Consider a point in the future at which there are five main<br>
> primary processes in operation at varying levels of turnout,<br>
> with at least two being reformed processes (your choice<br>
> which)."<br>
><br>
> Process Turnout<br>
> ------- -------<br>
> P 20 %<br>
> Q 15 (at least two are<br>
> R 5 reformed processes)<br>
> S 2<br>
> T 1<br>
><br>
> Is this expectation more-or-less reasonable? Anyone?<br>
><br>
> Please help me with this one. Are P-Q-R-S-T separate groups (parties?),<br>
> each with members making nominations? When you say "at least two are<br>
> reformed processes, are you speaking of groups with open nominations?<br>
> Are the percentages the percent of the groups' membership or of the<br>
> entire electorate?<br>
><br>
><br>
> re: "When you speak (Fred) of controlling the time at which<br>
> 'candidates are announced', do you mean only for the process<br>
> that you and Juho are mooting, say one of P-T? Or all<br>
> processes P-T? Your purpose would seem to require control<br>
> of all the major primaries."<br>
><br>
> The concept we were examining imagined a single nominating process in<br>
> which partisans and non-partisans nominate candidates for public office.<br>
> After being nominated, the nominees for each party (and the<br>
> non-partisan nominees as a group) decide which of the nominees are the<br>
> best advocates of the party's point of view. Then, the remaining<br>
> partisan/non-partisan nominees examine each other to decide which of<br>
> their number will be the candidates for public office. Then the people<br>
> vote for their choice of the candidates. The question of how many<br>
> candidates there would be for each office was not discussed, and,<br>
> barring further discussion, would be left to those who implement the<br>
> process.<br>
><br>
> Fred<br>
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