<div>Paul:</div><div> </div><div>You said:</div><div> </div><div>Mike, I asked what ballots are you going to hand-count.</div><div> </div><div>[endquote]</div><div> </div><div>And I answered you. I thought that my answer was specific.</div>
<div> </div><div>1, We would count a hand-marked ballot. A piece of paper or cardboard which you had marked,</div><div>eilther by pen or by punching it with a stylus. No machine would be involved in the process.</div><div>
</div><div>2. Or, if, on the other hand, you voted by touchscreen (for some reason), as you spoke of, the</div><div>voting machine would print out a paper copy of your vote. You would carefully check it, to</div><div>make sure that it was as you intended. Then you'd put it in the slot of the ballot-box.</div>
<div> </div><div>Then, along with the other ballots, would be handcounted, a) as the primary and only count mode; or </div><div>b) as a backup to a machine count, in the event that the machine count is contested.</div><div>
</div><div>This is the 3rd time that I've answered that question.Can anyone else suggest another way</div><div>that I could word the answer, so that it would be clearer?</div><div> </div><div>While I'm repeating my answer, I might as well also repeat that, unless a machine count</div>
<div>can be made provbably secure, the count should be _only_ a handcount.</div><div> </div><div>Y</div><div> I vote by touching a<br>touch-screen, and the machine gives me a receipt. You say I COULD give you<br>a paper ballot to hand-count, </div>
<div> </div><div>[endquote]</div><div> </div><div>Or I suppose that you could keep or dispose of it, if you don't want there to be a </div><div>reliable record of your vote :-)</div><div> </div><div>You continued:</div>
<div> </div><div>1but if I just voted by pressing a portion of a<br>touch-sensitive-display-screen, what are you going to hand-count?</div><div> </div><div>[endquote]</div><div> </div><div>The paper or cardboard ballot that the machine has printed out, based on your touchscreen vote, </div>
<div>after you have carefully examined the ballot to make sure that it is as you want it to be,</div><div>and then deposited it in the slot in the ballot box.</div><div> </div><div>As I said, that handcount would be a) the primary and only count; or b) a backup to a machine count,</div>
<div>just in case the machine count result is contested.</div><div>.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>You continued:</div><div> </div><div>My touch<br>is not verifiable by a hand-count of what the machine recorded. </div>
<div> </div><div>[endquote]</div><div> </div><div>Of course it is, if you have carefully examined the hardcopy that the machine has printed</div><div>out, and then deoposited it in the slot of lthe ballot box.</div><div> </div>
<div>In any case, I don't advocate the use of touchscreen, or any other kind of machine balloting. It</div><div>would be better to use a simple cardboard or paper ballot, marked by pen or punch-stylus. </div><div> </div>
<div>But, if machine balloting is used, as you speak of, then at least there should be a hardcopy that</div><div>the voter would examine before putting in the ballot-box slot.</div><div> </div><div>You continued:</div><div>
</div><div>It can only<br>be verified by asking me if what your machine's record matches what the<br>machine printed out for me. </div><div> </div><div>[endquote]</div><div> </div><div>Ungrammatical and difficultly-decipherable sentence. But yes, the voter would be asked to examine</div>
<div>the printed hardcopy, to ensure that it is the ballot that s/he wants to vote.</div><div> </div><div>No, it would be quite pointless to ask you if what the machine recorded matches what it printed out. How</div><div>
could you, or anyone, know that? There would be no particular reason to believe that such a match</div><div>exists. The hardcopy is the reliable record of your vote.</div><div> </div><div>You continued:</div><div> </div><div>
And you can't "hand count" that without asking<br>me if what you're counting matched my ballot.</div><div> </div><div>[endquote]</div><div> </div><div>Nonsense. What we'd be handcounting would _be_ your ballot.</div>
<div> </div><div>You continued:</div><div> </div><div>You continued:</div><div> </div><div>And you can't do THAT without<br>violating the principles of all voting systems.</div><div> </div><div>[endquote]</div><div> </div>
<div>Don't worry,no one will ask you if what you put in the ballot box is</div><div>your ballot. I'm guessing that you're afraid that someone will know</div><div>which ballot was voted by Paul Kislanko. No one will know that.</div>
<div>But, what we will know is that every ballot put into the ballot box</div><div>was examined carefully by the voter (or should have been), to ensure</div><div>that it is what the voter wants hir ballot to say.</div><div>
</div><div>I emphasize that I don't advocate using a machine for balloting or count at all. </div><div> </div><div>Mike Ossipoff</div>