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<div id="mpf0_readMsgBodyContainer" class="ReadMsgBody"><div class="SandboxScopeClass ExternalClass PlainTextMessageBody" id="mpf0_MsgContainer"><pre>At 03:53 PM 3/14/2012, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote:<br> <br>Abd:<br><br>Remember that I don't suggest AOC as a first proposal. I suggest only plain<br>Approval as a first proposal.<br><br>People are debating about the ideally best complicated methods. Instead, we should<br>just, for now, be working to enact Approval. The non-hand-countable methods can wait.<br>The difficultly-described methods can wait too.<br><br><br>> >I admit that that is a mess--when my<br>> >optional-conditionality-by-mutuality algorithm definition<br>> >is in three widely-separated postings. At least I should re-post the<br>> >corrected pseudocode in<br>> >one posting. Should have already done that before now. Will within <br>> a few days.<br>><br>>While there may be value for this in terms of working on improved<br>>methods, as to theory, as to possible public implementations, not<br>>method that is so complex to explain has a prayer of seeing<br>>application outside of specialized societies where they are willing<br>>to tolerate that.<br><br>Show someone the Approval bad-example, and ask them if they'd like to be able<br>to give an approval that is conditional upon reciprocity. If they were an A voter,<br>would they like to give to B an approval that doesn't count unless the B voters approve<br>A as much as vice-versa? ...doesn't count unless the B voters give to A as many approvals as they get<br>from the A voters? <br><br>How complicated is that?<br><br>GMAT and MMT are defined in posts that have those names in their subject lines. <br>In the subject line, MMT is written out as Mutual-Majority-Top. GMAT is probably written out<br>as Greatest-Mutual-Approval-Top. But it's also abbreviated GMAT.<br>If what I've said above isn't detailed enough, and they ask for more detail, then<br>I tell them what you quoted below:<br><br>>It can be said in more detail, but a little more wordily:<br>><br>>Call a ballot's unconditionally-approved candidates its "favorites".<br>><br>>A ballot on which C is favorite is called a C-favorite ballot.<br> <br>Interrupting the description, let me reply to this:<br><br>You have not defined "unconditionally approved."<br><br>[endquote]<br><br>I've defined "conditionally approved". "Unconditionally approved" means "approved<br>without being conditionally approved". In other words, it means that the approval<br>is given without condition. <br><br>You continued:<br><br> How is that shown on <br>the ballot? I could guess, but I'd rather not!<br><br>[endquote]<br><br>No need to guess:<br><br>An approval ballot could have a square box to the left of each candidate's name.<br><br>The instruction at the top of the ballot would say: <br><br>"Approve any one or more candidates<br>by checking the box to the left of their name." There would be an arrow pointing to the top<br>of the boxes column.<br><br>There would also be another square box to the right of the candidate's name.<br>An instruction above would say: <br><br>"To make an approval for a candidate conditional, mark the box to the right of the<br>candidate's name". There would be an arrow pointing to the top of that box-column.<br><br>There would be a simple and brief page, maybe attached to the ballot, maybe handed out by<br>poll-managers, explaining what it means to make an approval conditional. It would, I expect,<br>just say that conditionality means that the approval is counted only if it is reciprocated.<br>Maybe the Approval bad-example would be shown on that page, with a briefly worded explanation<br>of why some would want to give a conditional approval.<br><br>No, it doesn't dilute the information you give. It lets you give more information. In the<br>Approval bad-example, it pretty much ensures that the CW, A, wins.<br><br>Must quit for the time being.<br><br>To be continued...<br><br>Mike Ossipoff</pre></div></div><br> </div></body>
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