<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Hi David,<BR class=yui-cursor style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">IRV's got a first mover advantage over SODA and to catch up you need to convince someone like Soros to help you market it. It wouldn't matter if you got the whole EM list to agree with you that it was hunky-dory. </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">You are supposed to get the EM list to agree first, before writing Soros directly.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">But in the context of a 2-party dominated system, there aren't as many serious candidates </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">That doesn't make much sense to me. The election method is a part of the system and it has an obvious effect on how</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">and so what relative advantages there are of SODA over IRV will be less, which then makes the first-mover marketing problem more significant, especially if IRV can be souped up with the seemingly slight modification of the use of a limited form of approval voting in the first stage.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">If I remember correctly your idea is to use approval to pick finalists. I don't think this is a good idea because it breaks</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">clone independence, which is an IRV selling point. If your goal is to e.g. not elect Condorcet winners who place third,</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I think you should use the Approval-IRV hybrid that eliminates the least approved candidate until there is a majority </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">favorite. I call it AER... I think Woodall called it Approval AV.</DIV>
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