<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>Hi David,<BR class=yui-cursor style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN></div>
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<DIV id=yiv560538486 style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">It seems like the awesomeness of using PR for part of the seats somehow makes up for the lousiness of FPTP for the rest of the seats.
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<DIV>But why not use IRV+ for the rest? I mean it's not unlike FPTP in how it tends to favor bigger parties. According to<A href="http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2011/04/seats-party-election-majority" target=_blank rel=nofollow> George Eaton</A>, it</DIV>
<DIV>still lets there popular parties get a disproportionately large portion of the seats, but only when they're truly popular.</DIV>
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<DIV>So why couldn't Germany replace FPTP for its single-member seats with IRV?</DIV>
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<DIV>I got on this rant because I learned of the <A href="http://www.dprvoting.org/DPR_in_practice.htm" target=_blank rel=nofollow>DPR </A>approach to foster multi-party system in the UK.</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't see any reason why 4-seat super districts that use 3-seat LR Hare and IRV+ wouldn't suffice?</DIV>
<DIV>Maybe the use of PR might get more folks excited about the electoral reform this time...</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I don't think there is much to be gained from doing that in Germany. My understanding is that in practice voters</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">vote the single-winner ballot according to party, and then the PR part basically overrules anomalies as well. What</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I mean is, suppose you used Condorcet and some minor party won a ton of single-winner races. Despite this, the</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">PR would adjust it so that the relative winnings are proportional to the party list vote. So the unexpected results</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">on the single-winner ballot result in almost nothing.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; RIGHT: auto; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I think this would probably still be a problem in a setting with weak party discipline...</DIV>
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