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> Why STV? The original poster wanted elected representatives to have votes proportional to their electoral support yes? There's no need for fractional transfers from elected candidates then. <br>
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<p>IRV is a form of STV, but it's not my favorite. Some of the other STV methods (e.g. Schulze-STV and CPO-STV) tend to produce better eliminations.</p>
<p>But the question of why not STV is a good one. Several reasons.</p>
<p>STV requires much more work on the part of the voter - ranking all the way down to a candidate likely to be elected, instead of just one. That probably means a much larger ballot and/or an arbitrary cutoff between ballot-candidates and write-in candidates.</p>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>dlw: If the number of possible rankings is the number of seats + 2 then it's not too bad. And nobody would be forced to rank umpteen candidates, so the low-info voters could just vote for their favorite candidate. </div>
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<p>The STV variants that are less strategy-prone are computationally inefficient, and even those are not strategy-free.</p>
<p>And perhaps most importantly, the more resistant an STV method is to strategy, the more complicated it is to explain and understand.</p>
<p>As deterministic methods go, I do like STV methods; but DS fixes a lot of the worries I have about them.</p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>One could also apply the same sort of approach to simplifying STV with the initial treatment of all of the rankings as approval votes to get the number of candidates down to N+2, where N is the number of seats. </div>
<div><br></div><div>As with IRV, it's easier to explain STV when there's relatively few candidates to eliminate. And, it'll mitigate the strategy effects, which have to be examined more closely. As I argued before, there's a diff between making 3rd party dissenters vote strategically and making the supporters of a major party out of touch with most voters vote strategically. The possibility that their voters get pushed to vote strategically is an incentive for changes in candidate/party positions. In the FPTP case, it trims the ability of dissenters to move the de facto center towards the true center. In the IRV case, it does the opposite, it penalizes the major parties when they do not move enough towards the true center. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Most rational choice models implicit here take as fixed the position of candidates/parties on the spectrum, when in real life, this can be changed somewhat. This reduces the "badness" of strategic voting. It becomes less important thereby to devise an election rule that doesn't give any incentive to anyone to vote strategically.</div>
<div><br></div><div>dlw</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Jameson Quinn <<a href="mailto:jameson.quinn@gmail.com">jameson.quinn@gmail.com</a>><br>To: EM <<a href="mailto:election-methods@lists.electorama.com">election-methods@lists.electorama.com</a>><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:04:40 -0600<br>Subject: [EM] SODA is monotonic. Earlier failure/fix was actually for participation, not monotononicity.<br>A week or two ago, I sent a message to the list with a scenario which I claimed was an example of nonmonotonicity in SODA as defined; and mentioned a natural fix for this problem (allowing partial assignment of delegated votes).<div>
<br></div><div>I was mistaken. It was not an example of nonmonotonicity, but rather an example of failure of the participation criterion. The rest of what I said, including the simple fix for the problem, still applies.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jameson</div>
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