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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: -moz-fixed; FONT-SIZE: 13px" lang=x-western class=moz-text-flowed>Matt Welland wrote (26 Nov 2011): <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Also, do folks generally see approval as better than or worse than IRV? <BR><BR>To me Approval seems to solve the spoiler problem without introducing <BR>any unstable weirdness and it is much simpler and cheaper to do than <BR>IRV. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>If we are talking about the classic version of IRV known as the "Alternative Vote" <BR>in the UK and "Optional Preferential Voting" in Australia, then I see IRV on balance <BR>as being better than Approval. <BR><BR>The version of IRV I'm referring to: <BR><BR>*Voters strictly rank from the top however many or few candidates they wish. <BR>Until one candidate remains, one-at-a time eliminate eliminate the candidate that <BR>(among remaining candidates) is highest-ranked on the fewest ballots.* <BR><BR>The "unstable weirdness" of Approval is in the strategy games among the rival <BR>factions of voters, rather than anything visible in the method's algorithm.
<BR><BR>Approval is more vulnerable to disinformation campaigns. Suppose that those <BR>with plenty of money and control of the mass media know from their polling <BR>that the likely outcome of an upcoming election is A 52%, B 48% and they <BR>much prefer B. <BR><BR>In Approval they can sponsor and promote a third candidate C, one that the A <BR>supporters find much worse than B, and then publish false polls that give C some <BR>real chance of winning. If they can frighten/bluff some of A's supporters into approving <BR>B (as well as A) their strategy can succeed. <BR><BR>47: A <BR>05: AB (sincere is A>B) <BR>41: B <BR>07: BC <BR><BR>Approvals: B53, A52, C7 <BR><BR>Approval is certainly the "bang for buck" champion, and voters never have any incentive to <BR>vote their sincere favourites below equal-top. But to me the ballots are insufficiently expressive <BR>by comparison with the strict ranking ballots used by IRV.
<BR><BR>IRV has some Compromise incentive, but it is vastly less than in FPP. Supposing we assume <BR>that there are 3 candidates and that you the voter want (maybe for some emotional or long-term <BR>reason) to vote your sincere favourite F top even if you think (or "know") that F can't win <BR>provided you don't thereby pay too high a strategic penalty, i.e. that the chance is small that by <BR>doing that you will lose some (from your perspective positive) effect you might otherwise have <BR>had on the result. <BR><BR>In FPP, to be persuaded to Compromise (i.e.vote for your compromise "might win" candidate C <BR>instead of your sincere favourite F) you only have to be convinced that F won't be one of the top two <BR>first-preference place getters. <BR><BR>In IRV if you are convinced of that you have no compelling reason to compromise because you <BR>can expect F to be eliminated and your vote transferred to C. No, to have a good
reason to compromise <BR>you must be convinced that F <B class=moz-txt-star><SPAN class=moz-txt-tag>*</SPAN>will<SPAN class=moz-txt-tag>*</SPAN></B> be one of the top 2 (thanks to your vote) displacing C, but will <BR>nonetheless lose when C would have won if you'd top-voted C. <BR><BR>In my opinion IRV is one of the reasonable algorithms to use with ranked ballots, and the best for those <BR>who prefer things like Later-no-Harm and Invulnerability to Burial to either the Condorcet or FBC <BR>criteria. <BR><BR>Chris Benham <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR></DIV></div></body></html>