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<pre>Robert Bristow says:<br><br>how 'bout also refraining from ALL CAPS<br><br>[endquote]<br><br>I don't know if Robert intends that to refer to some practice of mine. Abbreviations<br>using initial letters typically use all-caps. That practice isn't original with me.<br><br>Robert continues:<br><br>, the use of a really dumb text <br>quoting protocol<br><br>[endquote]<br><br>Well, what's "really dumb" is the person who regards himself as the authority<br>on how something should be done.<br><br>The belief that your own preferences or choices are the standard for merit is a delusion.<br>People suffering from that delusion tend to have the worst manners.<br><br>Perhaps Robert needs to read the conduct guidelines for this mailing list.<br><br>Just so you understand, Robert, instead of presenting your own preferences or choices<br>as the standard for merit, you need to actually say _why_ you think that your way of doing<br>something is better, or why some other way of doing things is worse.<br><br>Perhaps Robert thinks that I should go through large blocks of text, typing "> " at the<br>beginning of each line, because that would conform to what Robert is more used to. No thanks.<br><br>Robert continues:<br><br>, and the assumption that one speaks for the group when <br>they've been around for an entire month.<br><br>[endquote]<br><br>Vague and referentless.<br><br>In what message, posted on what day, did I say that I spoke for a group? Robert forgot<br>to tell us that.<br><br>Quite aside from that, I was among those who were on this mailing list at the time that it was started.<br><br>Robert says:<br><br>(and MIKE OSSIPOFF, electing the CW *is* majority rule, when the CW <br>exists. <br><br>[endquote]<br><br>No, not unless the pairwise defeats are majority defeats. Not all pairwise defeats are majority defeats.<br>Does Robert know what "majority" means?<br><br>A majority is more than half of the voters in a particular election.<br><br>But there are a number of majority rule criteria. They include Majority Favorite, Mutual Majority (Majority<br>for Solid Coalitions), SDSC, WDSC, SFC, 1CM, 3P, UP, etc. <br><br>All of those can be met by methods that don't meet the Condorcet Criterion.<br><br>CC doesn't have a monopoly on majority rule, and, in fact, CC isn't about majority, in the usual sense of<br>that word. <br><br>Robert continues:<br><br>and i'll bet i know and understand a lot more of the gritty <br>details of the Burlington VT IRV elections in 2006 and 2009 and exactly <br>what went wrong in 2009 than you seem to grant.)<br><br>[endquote]<br><br>Did I say you didn't know what happened in Burlington?<br><br>I don't claim to know anything about what happened in Burlington, other than that<br>IRV was rejected. I don't know what IRV failure led to that rejection.<br><br>Mike Ossipoff<br><br></pre> </div></body>
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