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Ok, where do I sign up?<br>
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On 2011-09-05 23:13, Dave Ketchum wrote:
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cite="mid:9D6E3F2C-CB81-446E-8ECF-DA44985AA389@clarityconnect.com"
type="cite">I finally got around to a bit.
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<div>I see both Judgment and Judgement - can one be a typo?<br>
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of Election-Method Experts and Enthusiasts</span><br>
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When there is a list of items, some taking more than one
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">I see Enthusiasts here - Should
also go with Experts below.</div>
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pre-wrap; font-size: 20px;">It is time
to change our voting system.</span><span
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white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px;">We,
the undersigned election-method experts
and enthusiasts from around the world,
unanimously denounce the use of
plurality voting in elections in which
there are more than two candidates. In
this declaration we offer several
ready-to-adopt replacement election
methods that we agree will reliably
produce much fairer results.</span></div>
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Proper question is whether there MAY be more than
two candidates:</div>
<div style="font-size: 31px;">. There will never
be more than two - so election method does not
matter.</div>
<div style="font-size: 31px;">. When there are
more, voters can wish to vote against the worst by
voting for more than one - impossible with
plurality.</div>
<div style="font-size: 31px;">. We cannot be
bothered with this need - how bad this is depends on
value of the election.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">Part of selling against
plurality:</div>
<div style="font-size: 31px;">. Wherever current
experience is that runoffs are rarely needed and
there is very little voting for other than the two
main candidates, deciders may feel that there is no
need for preparing for what has never happened to
them.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">. Even with that
normality, there can be times when voting for others
happens in significant numbers. We need to alert
deciders that this can happen in any district and
this is what needs preparing for even if they are
used to things staying simpler.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
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pre-wrap;">Better ballots</span><br>
<span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0,
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information from the voters, we can find
better winners.</span></span></blockquote>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">Approval gives nothing
but ability to vote for more than one.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">All the others provide
for voters indicating which of the candidates they
vote for are also their most preferred.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">Also, while Condorcet
ranking unconditionally says that higher ranks are
better than lower, there is nothing requiring or
permitting saying how much higher.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">The other methods,
depending on statements as to how much higher a
ranked candidate may be, require that the voter
indicate magnitude in the vote.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">Condorcet:</div>
<div style="font-size: 31px;">. It is an approach
to a tie that CAN result in those leading candidates
needing some extra analysis to decide on a winner.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">. The n*n matrix
used in Condorcet has information useful to those
wanting to learn more about relationship of
candidates.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
Times;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color:
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baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size:
20px;">There are three Condorcet methods that
identify the Condorcet winner (when there is
one) without explicitly looking for the
Condorcet winner, and they are, in
alphabetical order: </span></span></blockquote>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">I claim that, if there
is one, the CW should be found and, at our distance,
we do not need to check on how the method goes about
that.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">Even if there is no CW,
the n*n matrix used to look for the CW is the
obvious source for deciding on a winner - which
points toward using n*n for this analysis.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;">I have not chased down
the innards of using IRV here, but wonder if, as
used here, it is immune to the problems that
afflicted IRV in <span class="Apple-style-span"
style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px;
white-space: pre-wrap;">Burlington.</span></div>
<div style="font-size: 31px;"><font
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class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px;
white-space: pre-wrap;">Anyway, I ask that IRV
discussion stay out of the Condorcet discussion
- seems like there were, earlier, better words
about IRV than I see here.</span></font></div>
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<div style="font-size: 31px;"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px;
white-space: pre-wrap;">Also, seems like SODA
should be kept away from Condorcet.</span></font></div>
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<div>In</div>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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fairer methods in organizations</span><span
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<span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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organizations are a great place to start voting
reform.</span><span style="font-family: Arial;
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<blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span"
style="font-family: Times; font-size: 31px;"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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font-size: 20px;">One particularly relevant example
of a “private” election is the nomination process of
a political party. It is true that our supported
methods make this process less important, because,
unlike plurality, they do not break down when more
than one candidate from a party is running. Still,
we expect that many parties would still want to have
a formal nomination (“primary election”) process so
as to focus their efforts on one or two candidates
per office. We believe that any party using a
superior voting system internally will see immediate
benefits. A primary process with increased turnout,
with fewer negative attacks, and with a
more-democratic result will result in a stronger
nominee who is better-prepared to win in the general
election.</span><br>
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<div>This presumably is true in some states. In New York
parties do not do elections. Primaries, done by government
for the parties, handle both primary elections AND electing
party officers.</div>
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