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    Ok, where do I sign up?<br>
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    On 2011-09-05 23:13, Dave Ketchum wrote:
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      cite="mid:9D6E3F2C-CB81-446E-8ECF-DA44985AA389@clarityconnect.com"
      type="cite">I finally got around to a bit.
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      <div>I see both Judgment and Judgement - can one be a typo?<br>
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                        of Election-Method Experts and Enthusiasts</span><br>
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          <div style="font-size: 31px;">I see Enthusiasts here - Should
            also go with Experts below.</div>
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                                to change our voting system.</span><span
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                                white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px;">We,
                                the undersigned election-method experts
                                and enthusiasts from around the world,
                                unanimously denounce the use of
                                plurality voting in elections in which
                                there are more than two candidates. In
                                this declaration we offer several
                                ready-to-adopt replacement election
                                methods that we agree will reliably
                                produce much fairer results.</span></div>
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                    Proper question is whether there MAY be more than
                    two candidates:</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">.     There will never
                    be more than two - so election method does not
                    matter.</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">.     When there are
                    more, voters can wish to vote against the worst by
                    voting for more than one - impossible with
                    plurality.</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">.     We cannot be
                    bothered with this need - how bad this is depends on
                    value of the election.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">Part of selling against
                    plurality:</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">.     Wherever current
                    experience is that runoffs are rarely needed and
                    there is very little voting for other than the two
                    main candidates, deciders may feel that there is no
                    need for preparing for what has never happened to
                    them.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">.     Even with that
                    normality, there can be times when voting for others
                    happens in significant numbers.  We need to alert
                    deciders that this can happen in any district and
                    this is what needs preparing for even if they are
                    used to things staying simpler.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><span
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                          pre-wrap;">Better ballots</span><br>
                        <span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0,
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                          information from the voters, we can find
                          better winners.</span></span></blockquote>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">Approval gives nothing
                    but ability to vote for more than one.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">All the others provide
                    for voters indicating which of the candidates they
                    vote for are also their most preferred.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">Also, while Condorcet
                    ranking unconditionally says that higher ranks are
                    better than lower, there is nothing requiring or
                    permitting saying how much higher.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">The other methods,
                    depending on statements as to how much higher a
                    ranked candidate may be, require that the voter
                    indicate magnitude in the vote.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><span
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">Condorcet:</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">.     It is an approach
                    to a tie that CAN result in those leading candidates
                    needing some extra analysis to decide on a winner.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">.     The n*n matrix
                    used in Condorcet has information useful to those
                    wanting to learn more about relationship of
                    candidates.</div>
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                    <blockquote type="cite"><span
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                        <span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0,
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                          20px;">There are three Condorcet methods that
                          identify the Condorcet winner (when there is
                          one) without explicitly looking for the
                          Condorcet winner, and they are, in
                          alphabetical order: </span></span></blockquote>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">I claim that, if there
                    is one, the CW should be found and, at our distance,
                    we do not need to check on how the method goes about
                    that.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">Even if there is no CW,
                    the n*n matrix used to look for the CW is the
                    obvious source for deciding on a winner - which
                    points toward using n*n for this analysis.</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;">I have not chased down
                    the innards of using IRV here, but wonder if, as
                    used here, it is immune to the problems that
                    afflicted IRV in  <span class="Apple-style-span"
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;"><font
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                      </span></font></div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;"><font
                      class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span
                        class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px;
                        white-space: pre-wrap;">Anyway, I ask that IRV
                        discussion stay out of the Condorcet discussion
                        - seems like there were, earlier, better words
                        about IRV than I see here.</span></font></div>
                  <div style="font-size: 31px;"><font
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                  <div style="font-size: 31px;"><font
                      class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span
                        class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px;
                        white-space: pre-wrap;">Also, seems like SODA
                        should be kept away from Condorcet.</span></font></div>
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          <div>In</div>
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                    fairer methods in organizations</span><span
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                  <span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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                    organizations are a great place to start voting
                    reform.</span><span style="font-family: Arial;
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                    font-size: 20px;">One particularly relevant example
                    of a “private” election is the nomination process of
                    a political party. It is true that our supported
                    methods make this process less important, because,
                    unlike plurality, they do not break down when more
                    than one candidate from a party is running. Still,
                    we expect that many parties would still want to have
                    a formal nomination (“primary election”) process so
                    as to focus their efforts on one or two candidates
                    per office. We believe that any party using a
                    superior voting system internally will see immediate
                    benefits. A primary process with increased turnout,
                    with fewer negative attacks, and with a
                    more-democratic result will result in a stronger
                    nominee who is better-prepared to win in the general
                    election.</span><br>
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          <div>This presumably is true in some states.  In New York
            parties do not do elections.  Primaries, done by government
            for the parties, handle both primary elections AND electing
            party officers.</div>
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