<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I finally got around to a bit.<div><br></div><div>I see both Judgment and Judgement - can one be a typo?<br><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; "><div style="background-color: transparent; "><span id="internal-source-marker_0.08106117369607091" style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 39px; ">Declaration of Election-Method Experts and Enthusiasts</span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Contents</span></div></span></div></div></blockquote>When there is a list of items, some taking more than one line, something, such as indentation, should show start of each item.<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; "><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; "></span></span></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">I see Enthusiasts here - Should also go with Experts below.</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="7"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 31px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px; "><div style="font-size: 31px; "><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; "><div style="background-color: transparent; "><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Introduction</span><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 39px; "></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; ">It is time to change our voting system.</span><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; "></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; "></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; ">We, the undersigned election-method experts and enthusiasts from around the world, unanimously denounce the use of plurality voting in elections in which there are more than two candidates. In this declaration we offer several ready-to-adopt replacement election methods that we agree will reliably produce much fairer results.</span></div></span></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div>Proper question is whether there MAY be more than two candidates:</div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">. There will never be more than two - so election method does not matter.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">. When there are more, voters can wish to vote against the worst by voting for more than one - impossible with plurality.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">. We cannot be bothered with this need - how bad this is depends on value of the election.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">Part of selling against plurality:</div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">. Wherever current experience is that runoffs are rarely needed and there is very little voting for other than the two main candidates, deciders may feel that there is no need for preparing for what has never happened to them.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">. Even with that normality, there can be times when voting for others happens in significant numbers. We need to alert deciders that this can happen in any district and this is what needs preparing for even if they are used to things staying simpler.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; "><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Better ballots</span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; ">With better information from the voters, we can find better winners.</span></span></blockquote><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">Approval gives nothing but ability to vote for more than one.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">All the others provide for voters indicating which of the candidates they vote for are also their most preferred.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">Also, while Condorcet ranking unconditionally says that higher ranks are better than lower, there is nothing requiring or permitting saying how much higher.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">The other methods, depending on statements as to how much higher a ranked candidate may be, require that the voter indicate magnitude in the vote.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; "><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Fairer counting methods</span></span></blockquote></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">Condorcet:</div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">. It is an approach to a tie that CAN result in those leading candidates needing some extra analysis to decide on a winner.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">. The n*n matrix used in Condorcet has information useful to those wanting to learn more about relationship of candidates.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; "><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; "></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; ">There are three Condorcet methods that identify the Condorcet winner (when there is one) without explicitly looking for the Condorcet winner, and they are, in alphabetical order: </span></span></blockquote><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">I claim that, if there is one, the CW should be found and, at our distance, we do not need to check on how the method goes about that.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">Even if there is no CW, the n*n matrix used to look for the CW is the obvious source for deciding on a winner - which points toward using n*n for this analysis.</div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 31px; ">I have not chased down the innards of using IRV here, but wonder if, as used here, it is immune to the problems that afflicted IRV in <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Burlington.</span></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Anyway, I ask that IRV discussion stay out of the Condorcet discussion - seems like there were, earlier, better words about IRV than I see here.</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="6"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Also, seems like SODA should be kept away from Condorcet.</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 31px; "><br></div></span></span></font></div></div><div><div><br></div><div>In</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 31px; "><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 26px; ">Using the fairer methods in organizations</span><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; "></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; ">Private organizations are a great place to start voting reform.</span><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; "></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; "></span><br></span></blockquote></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 31px; "><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 20px; ">One particularly relevant example of a “private” election is the nomination process of a political party. It is true that our supported methods make this process less important, because, unlike plurality, they do not break down when more than one candidate from a party is running. Still, we expect that many parties would still want to have a formal nomination (“primary election”) process so as to focus their efforts on one or two candidates per office. We believe that any party using a superior voting system internally will see immediate benefits. A primary process with increased turnout, with fewer negative attacks, and with a more-democratic result will result in a stronger nominee who is better-prepared to win in the general election.</span><br></span></blockquote></blockquote><br></div><div>This presumably is true in some states. In New York parties do not do elections. Primaries, done by government for the parties, handle both primary elections AND electing party officers.</div></div></div></body></html>