<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">On May 10, 2011, at 1:03 AM, ⸘Ŭalabio‽ wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>2011-05-09T07:46:22Z, “Kristofer Munsterhjelm” <<a href="mailto:Km_Elmet@Lavabit.Com">Km_Elmet@Lavabit.Com</a>>:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>⸘Ŭalabio‽ wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">With ranking, one must determine and remember the full rank order. It is very easy to forget:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>“¡Darn! ¡I should have ranked Candidate T between Candidates I and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">L!”<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>This problem does not exist with rating.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>Disagreed - see below.<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>It exists in the manner it would also exist in 0-to-n rated voting. If you forget to rate candidate X, he would get the default bottom rating of 0, same as if you forget to rank candidate X, he would get the default bottom "unranked" rank.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>With a ranked ballot, one must get a new ballot and rerank all of the candidates and remember to put Candidate T between Candidates I and L. This is part of the reason ranked ballots have such high spoilage-rates.<br></blockquote><br>If trying to be realistic in comparing methods, it would make sense to put comparable effort into designing ballots and rules for voters.<br><br>Ratings and rankings both need numbers, though ratings, as usually done, need a larger range than voters could make use of for ranking.<br><br>Unranked/unrated are best done by the voter saying nothing, though both methods could demand explicit action by voters (possibility of fraud can matter). Making equal ratings/rankings acceptable makes sense to some.<br><br>So for this comparison a voter could have ranked/rated I as 05 and L as 06, then realize need to attend to T.<br>. Puzzling that this voter considers T too important to leave unranked/unrated but:<br>. Assume 05.5 is impossible for the ballots used.<br>. Could make T 05 or 06 - VERY close in Condorcet, with ballot exactly as desired, except for one detail - T=I or T=L instead of I<T<L; almost as close in Score with microscopic differences due to the added rating value.<br>. With either method this desperate voter could do the new ballot effort.<br><br>Dave Ketchum<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>With Scorevoting, the ballotvalidator (optical scanner would catch the omission. The voter would then rate the candidate. A candidate on a scorevoting ballot, would look like thus:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Kristofer Munsterhjelm<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>[ ] Abstain (00), [ ] +99, [ ] -99, [ ] +Positive, [ ] -Negative<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">10s:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>[0]0 [1]0 [2]0 [3]0 [4]0 [5]0 [6]0 [7]0 [8]0 [9]0<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">01s:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>0[0] 0[1] 0[2] 0[3] 0[4] 0[5] 0[6] 0[7] 0[8] 0[9]<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>The ballotvalidator indicates skipped candidates. The voter can fix the ballot (at this point it is incomplete —— not spoiled —— so the voter can fix the ballot without having to start over with a fresh ballot.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Notice that the ballot has all of the options a voter needs:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>*<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>An abstain defaulting to 00.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>*<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>+99 (at least 1 candidate in a race with 2 or more candidates must receive +99 and smart voters should vote more than 1 candidate +99).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>*<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>-99 (at least 1 candidate in a race with 2 or more candidates must receive -99 and smart voters should vote more than 1 candidate -99).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>*<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>+Positive (makes the score positive).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>*<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>-Negative (makes the score negative).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>*<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>10s (decide the 10s).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>*<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>01s (decide the 01s).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>The pollworkers merely sum the votes. It is that simple.</blockquote></body></html>