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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I believe that the
DemoChoice numbers you cite are from the first results file,
released on November 5. The data below was released on November 10
and includes nearly all of the ballots (although the audit hasn't
started yet). You are correct that my totals for Quan and Perata
should match the final round totals, and they do match the
November 10 final round totals. See here:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/rcvresults_2984.htm">http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/rcvresults_2984.htm</a><br>
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--Bob Richard<br>
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On 11/13/2010 10:31 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
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On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Bob Richard wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On 11/13/2010 8:09 AM, Kristofer
Munsterhjelm wrote:
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Sand W wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Here are the results on an actual
election:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table">http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table"><http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table></a><br>
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Perata (or maybe someone in his camp) accuses the other
candidates of "gaming the system" by promoting each other as
2nd choices.
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Some challengers tried to do that to IRV-leader Kriss
Worthington too, but he won by a landslide.
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Unfortunately, there isn't enough data here to check who would
won under other methods, except for Plurality (where Don
Perata would have won). To find out the social order for a
Condorcet method, one would need the Condorcet matrix, and for
most other methods, the raw ballot data itself.
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Raw ballot data is here:
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/ballot_image.txt">http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/ballot_image.txt</a>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/master_lookup.txt">http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/master_lookup.txt</a>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/ballot_image_help.pdf">http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/ballot_image_help.pdf</a>
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Here is the Condorcet matrix from these data files (entries are
the number preferring the row candidate over the column
candidate). If your email program doesn't handle HTML tables
very well, this might be scrambled.
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what a minute Bob, just comparing the Perata/Quan race, it appears
that your totals are off by about 10000, when you compare to that
DemoChoice results at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table">http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table</a> .
the IRV final round should be precisely the pair of numbers you
get in the Condorcet matrix (why the hell did that format get
used?, it should be a triangle so that the relevant numbers sit
side-by-side).
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you have
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<br>
Quan 53778
<br>
Perata 51720
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whereas the IRV round-by-round results are
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<br>
Quan 43825
<br>
Perata 41949
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so what gives? that's a pretty big discrepancy.
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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Bob Richard
Executive Vice President
Californians for Electoral Reform
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Kentfield, CA 94914-0235
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