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On 11/13/2010 8:09 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4CDEB84F.10005@broadpark.no" type="cite">Sand
W wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Here are the results on an actual
election:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table">http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table"><http://www.demochoice.org/dcresults.php?poll=OakMayor&type=table></a>
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<br>
Perata (or maybe someone in his camp) accuses the other
candidates of "gaming the system" by promoting each other as 2nd
choices.
<br>
<br>
Some challengers tried to do that to IRV-leader Kriss
Worthington too, but he won by a landslide.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Unfortunately, there isn't enough data here to check who would won
under other methods, except for Plurality (where Don Perata would
have won). To find out the social order for a Condorcet method,
one would need the Condorcet matrix, and for most other methods,
the raw ballot data itself.
<br>
</blockquote>
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Raw ballot data is here:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/ballot_image.txt">http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/ballot_image.txt</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/master_lookup.txt">http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/OaklandMayor/master_lookup.txt</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/ballot_image_help.pdf">http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/ballot_image_help.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Here is the Condorcet matrix from these data files (entries are the
number preferring the row candidate over the column candidate). If
your email program doesn't handle HTML tables very well, this might
be scrambled.<br>
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<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cols="12" frame="VOID"
rules="NONE">
<colgroup><col width="184"><col width="89"><col width="67"><col
width="67"><col width="67"><col width="67"><col width="67"><col
width="67"><col width="67"><col width="67"><col width="67"><col
width="67"></colgroup> <tbody>
<tr>
<td width="184" align="LEFT" height="82"><br>
</td>
<td width="89" align="CENTER">ARNOLD FIELDS</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">DON MACLEAY</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">DON PERATA</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">GREG HARLAND</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">JEAN QUAN</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">JOE TUMAN</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">LARRY LIONEL ''LL'' YOUNG JR.</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">MARCIE HODGE</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">REBECCA KAPLAN</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">TERENCE CANDELL</td>
<td width="67" align="CENTER">Write-In</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">ARNOLD FIELDS</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4476</td>
<td align="RIGHT">3174</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4286</td>
<td align="RIGHT">3527</td>
<td align="RIGHT">3601</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4487</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4403</td>
<td align="RIGHT">3614</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4328</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4680</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">DON MACLEAY</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6031</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5018</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5912</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4277</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5209</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6119</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6026</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4357</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6064</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6257</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">DON PERATA</td>
<td align="RIGHT">65149</td>
<td align="RIGHT">65165</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">65011</td>
<td align="RIGHT">51720</td>
<td align="RIGHT">59033</td>
<td align="RIGHT">64963</td>
<td align="RIGHT">63702</td>
<td align="RIGHT">53661</td>
<td align="RIGHT">64338</td>
<td align="RIGHT">65308</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">GREG HARLAND</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5169</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5312</td>
<td align="RIGHT">3582</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4331</td>
<td align="RIGHT">3667</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5382</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5244</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4607</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5087</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5500</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">JEAN QUAN</td>
<td align="RIGHT">74283</td>
<td align="RIGHT">73079</td>
<td align="RIGHT">53778</td>
<td align="RIGHT">74144</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">63212</td>
<td align="RIGHT">74108</td>
<td align="RIGHT">72437</td>
<td align="RIGHT">50544</td>
<td align="RIGHT">73336</td>
<td align="RIGHT">74460</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">JOE TUMAN</td>
<td align="RIGHT">45690</td>
<td align="RIGHT">45641</td>
<td align="RIGHT">34776</td>
<td align="RIGHT">45562</td>
<td align="RIGHT">29941</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">45752</td>
<td align="RIGHT">45239</td>
<td align="RIGHT">29005</td>
<td align="RIGHT">45475</td>
<td align="RIGHT">46025</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">LARRY LIONEL ''LL'' YOUNG JR.</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6385</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6427</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4054</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6482</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4706</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5753</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5604</td>
<td align="RIGHT">4897</td>
<td align="RIGHT">5898</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6580</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">MARCIE HODGE</td>
<td align="RIGHT">16536</td>
<td align="RIGHT">16551</td>
<td align="RIGHT">10194</td>
<td align="RIGHT">16526</td>
<td align="RIGHT">10489</td>
<td align="RIGHT">14599</td>
<td align="RIGHT">16240</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">12082</td>
<td align="RIGHT">15707</td>
<td align="RIGHT">16709</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">REBECCA KAPLAN</td>
<td align="RIGHT">68989</td>
<td align="RIGHT">67789</td>
<td align="RIGHT">49749</td>
<td align="RIGHT">68929</td>
<td align="RIGHT">44863</td>
<td align="RIGHT">58003</td>
<td align="RIGHT">68684</td>
<td align="RIGHT">67102</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">68293</td>
<td align="RIGHT">69269</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">TERENCE CANDELL</td>
<td align="RIGHT">10271</td>
<td align="RIGHT">10386</td>
<td align="RIGHT">6585</td>
<td align="RIGHT">10257</td>
<td align="RIGHT">7645</td>
<td align="RIGHT">9152</td>
<td align="RIGHT">10151</td>
<td align="RIGHT">9520</td>
<td align="RIGHT">8384</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
<td align="RIGHT">10563</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="LEFT" height="17">Write-In</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1584</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1577</td>
<td align="RIGHT">899</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1575</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1098</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1332</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1562</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1516</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1191</td>
<td align="RIGHT">1557</td>
<td align="RIGHT">0</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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<blockquote cite="mid:4CDEB84F.10005@broadpark.no" type="cite">
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">What you could really do if you are
serious about promoting a different ranking system is to
download the "Demochoice Code" and rewrite it to use your
preferred voting system, then put it online, because the code is
public domain.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
A similar poll system, CIVS, uses Condorcet methods (one can
choose whether to use Schulze, Ranked Pairs/MAM, or "Smith,IRV").
The source code is freely available at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/changelog.html">http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/changelog.html</a> .
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Bob Richard
Executive Vice President
Californians for Electoral Reform
PO Box 235
Kentfield, CA 94914-0235
415-256-9393
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