If you're looking for simple proportional systems, you could look at "total representation", where district-based representatives win with a majority, but some extra seats are assigned to the highest-vote-getting losers of underrepresented parties to help balance.<br>
<br>I believe that SAV is not that great a system. It requires too much strategy from the voters; you have to know how many voters like you there are in order to know how much to split up your vote. A faction which spread its vote to thin could end up entirely unrepresented - even if it were a majority faction.<br>
<br>I would propose SPA (Summable Proportional Approval) voting.<br><br>1. Each voter votes an approval ballot. It is easy to vote either a "party ballot", a "modified party ballot" with extra approvals or disapprovals, or a "combined party ballot" which approves of two or more parties.<br>
2. Each ballot is converted to two matrices<br> a) one with candidate approvals on the diagonal and candidate correlations on the off-diagonal<br> b) one with number-of-votes-per-candidate on the columns and candidates on the rows<br>
3. The two matrices are added for all ballots.<br>4. The highest candidate total is elected, and a droop quota is deducted from their total. The matrices are used to deduct from the totals of other candidates with a high correlation. Explaining the process in words is very longwinded; soon I will post a working source code version which implements this process, and prove that it's proportional.<br>
5. Repeat 4 until you've elected enough candidates.<br><br>The math is complicated. However, it's only to make the process summable, and thus to make recounts verifiable. If you don't need summability, you just reweight the individual ballots to deduct a Droop quota, which is trivial mathematically.<br>
<br>JQ<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/5/19 Kathy Dopp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kathy.dopp@gmail.com">kathy.dopp@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
One of the authors of the Satisfaction Approval Voting paper responded<br>
to your comments, which I'd forwarded to them:<br>
<br>
"I consider it [SAV] a very simple system--comparable to approval<br>
voting--and to fix its alleged flaws would, in my opinion,<br>
considerably complicate it without necessarily producing a better<br>
result (however this is defined)."<br>
<br>
I tend to agree, although I've not studied the issue enough to be 100%<br>
certain. There is a lot to be said for simplicity, additive feature,<br>
compatibility with existing voting systems and ballots, auditability,<br>
understandability, etc.<br>
<br>
So far, I think I would recommend both SAV and the party list system<br>
as proportional representation systems but am open to finding others<br>
too.<br>
<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm<br>
<div class="im"><<a href="mailto:km-elmet@broadpark.no">km-elmet@broadpark.no</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="im">> Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Now, you may say that the second problem is analogous to STV's Woodall<br>
>> vote management (don't vote for a candidate that would otherwise win),<br>
><br>
> I meant, of course, Hylland vote management. Woodall vote management<br>
> involves prefixing the vote with preferences for no-hopes, and as such isn't<br>
> relevant in this context.<br>
><br>
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</div><div class="im">Kathy Dopp<br>
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