<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On May 11, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Bright'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">2010/5/9 Jonathan Lundell<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlundell@pobox.com">jlundell@pobox.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div class="im">On May 9, 2010, at 8:57 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:<br><br>> how about expanding the definition of Later-No-Harm (can we find a name for it?) to include later harming one's political interest (not *just* their favorite candidate) by sincerely voting their conscience?<br><br></div>That's called 'manipulability', and good luck finding a method that avoids it (short of random selection, of course).<br><br></blockquote><div>Sure. But you can minimize it. I touched on that in my "8 of 9: fairness" post. Basically, you want to minimize the average utility gained by strategic voters, and maximize the dishonesty required to gain that utility (because the dishonesty is also the risk of strategy).<br></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div>I agree. I think.</div><div><br></div><div>I have more to say on the meta-criteria subject, and will get around to saying it. It's a valuable discussion. Thanks for raising it.</div></body></html>