<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Apr 27, 2010, at 6:09 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Bright'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">2010/4/27 Raph Frank<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raphfrk@gmail.com">raphfrk@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div class="im">On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Jameson Quinn <<a href="mailto:jameson.quinn@gmail.com">jameson.quinn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Why not:<br>> - ranked votes<br>> - STV for council. Keep track of which members are elected first and second,<br>> one of them will be VP.<br>> - Condorcet winner among the councilmembers is P. (You could use original<br>> ballots or have the council revote.)<br>> - VP is first councilmember, or, if that person is P, second councilmember.<br><br></div>The order of election with PR-STV shouldn't be used to determine VP,<br>all seats are equal.<br></blockquote><div><br>Why?<br><br>Actually, it could be "first seat", or "plurality winner", which is mostly equivalent. This would help IFF you wanted to increase decrease the probability of a simple majority disproportionately sweeping P and VP. Since it's only VP we're talking about, the chance of plurality-style strategy is slim.<br></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div>The problem with FPTP in this case is that it's largely accidental. In the obvious counterexample, a significant majority of voter splits their vote across several clones, causing their representatives to be elected late, even though they have the most support.</div><div><br></div><div>One way to order the winners in an STV election is to count for the the original board, and then re-count for successively smaller groups, but with only the most recent winners eligible, giving a complete ordering of the board.</div></body></html>