<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>Dave Ketchum wrote:<BR><BR>Let's see:<BR><BR>A Condorcet method finds the candidate which would beat each other <BR>candidate in a run-off election, assuming such a candidate exists. Thus <BR>such a method meets the Condorcet criterion.<BR><BR>Having copied such from Wikipedia, don't seem like I grabbed much.<BR><BR>Having no such candidate, we have a cycle of three or more leaders in a <BR>near tie and debate how to pick from them.<BR><BR>Perhaps Chris is into this debate, which I agree is important but am trying <BR>to keep out of this thread, whose business is IRV vs non-IRV.<BR><BR>Perhaps there are other exceptions.<BR><BR>DWK</DIV>
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<DIV>Dave,</DIV>
<DIV>"Condorcet" isn't decisive enough to qualify as "a method". IRV is a method.</DIV>
<DIV>All I ask is that you specify some particular "Condorcet method" (i.e. a method</DIV>
<DIV>that meets the Condorcet criterion) that you are sure you prefer over IRV, so</DIV>
<DIV>that we can compare one method with another (and not one method with one<BR>criterion).<BR><BR>49: A</DIV>
<DIV>24: B</DIV>
<DIV>27: C>B</DIV>
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<DIV>A and C have only first-preference votes, A 49 and C 27. Is that a "near tie"??<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Chris Benham<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:26:55 -0400 Terry Bouricius wrote:<BR>><I> Dave,<BR></I>><I> <BR></I>><I> You are using the term "Condorcet" in a way that is increasingly common, <BR></I>><I> but confusing to election method theorists, to mean a ranked voting method <BR></I>><I> that is easiest to explain by imagining a series of one-on-one comparisons <BR></I>><I> using a ranked ballot. What Chris B. was getting at is that Condorcet is a <BR></I>><I> CRITERION (in fact there is also a Condorcet-loser criterion, which I <BR></I>><I> think is more useful), which is used in evaluating voting methods, rather <BR></I>><I> than an actual voting method itself. There are probably a dozen different <BR></I>><I> voting methods that are Condorcet compliant, and many others that aren't <BR></I>><I> (complying with other criteria that some believe are more crucial). The <BR></I>><I> issue separating the various Condorcet methods is
how you find a winner <BR></I>><I> when there is no Condorcet winner.<BR></I>><I> <BR></I>><I> Terry Bouricius<BR></DIV></I></div><br>
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