<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Dave Ketchum <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:davek@clarityconnect.com">davek@clarityconnect.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><br>(most of Dave's comments snipped out, I responded to only a few)<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Open source is ESSENTIAL:<br>While it encourages quality programming by those who do not want to get caught doing otherwise, it also encourages thorough testing by the community.<br>
But, there is a temptation for copying such without paying:<br>
Perhaps the law should provide a punishment for such.</blockquote><div><br>The law already does. <br><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iR9T2USlbjJbHOl7sIgiE9RCx33gD92IB4900">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iR9T2USlbjJbHOl7sIgiE9RCx33gD92IB4900</a><br>
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Well here is where you and I differ. I think if electoral fraud in the US were eliminated, it would be a good thing, but not dramatically change things, any more than eliminating shoplifting would dramatically change our economy. I do not believe that such fraud changes the outcome of a large percentage of elections, and in those it does, it was pretty close anyway. <br>
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Most elections do not inspire the fraudsters. The few they care about may be near ties, responding to minimum fraudulent effort.<br>
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Thus, a few false wins can be big trouble.<div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>However, if they are near ties, that isn't quite so big trouble because both candidates are pretty popular anyway. While it may offend our notion of democracy to have someone win (a two person election) who had only 49.99 percent of the vote....its really not that huge a deal....not nearly the same scale of a problem as one where a truly unpopular candidate could get himself elected by fraud.<br>
<br>Like with everything else in the world, we want to minimize the ability of criminals to profit from their crimes, but how much are we willing to give up to reduce the chance to zero?<br>
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If plurality voting were replaced with a ranked system such as a condorcet method, I beleive it WOULD dramatically change the entire dynamic of politics, in a very, very good way, by nearly eliminating the polarized nature of government due to partisanship. That is huge, comparitively.<br>
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Could be BIG - Plurality NEEDS primaries. Condorcet does not need such, but could not object if parties chose to do them anyway for other reasons.<div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div><br>Yes, although maybe it would be more accurate to say that candidates that want to win need primaries under plurality.<br>
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The only thing that is immune to checking would be the compiler itself, since the compiler needs a compiler to compile itself....but someone would have had to have done something evil (and very, very brilliant) a long time ago to pull that off....good for a sci fi novel anyway, but not so much in the real world.<br>
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Compilers do not have to be that complex - since voting programs need not be that complex, such as would need a high powered compiler.<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Well, even a basic C compiler has this issue, since the compiler itself is written in C, so there is a chicken egg problem. But this is really not a real world concern (and if it was, someone would have been using it to steal money from banks, etc). It's an amusing theoretical concept, but not much more.<br>
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Perhaps my 2-cents will inspire a response. I agree, in general, with Rob that we have a fixable problem that NEEDS fixing.</blockquote><div><br>Cool. :) Indeed, while I think that voting security is important, lets not throw the baby (fixing the problems with plurality) out with the bathwater (fraud).<br>
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