<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Again, sorry if there are ?'s where there shouldn't be.<br>
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</font>From: James Gilmour <jgilmour@globalnet.co.uk><br>
> It is also an unsafe<br>
> assumption that every first preference vote for a<br>
> particular candidate is a "party vote" for that candidate's party.<br>
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I think this is a very important point. Under PR-STV, the voters elect<br>
candidates not parties. A popular candidate can get elected even if the<br>
party he is part of is not liked much (and likewise a less popular candidate<br>
from a popular party can end up not getting elected.)<br>
<br>
Party list systems assume that there is only 1 type of voter and that voter<br>
votes purely based on party support. However, in practice there is a mix<br>
of voters who vote based on candidate and voters who vote based on party.<br>
PR-STV allows both kinds of voters to vote the way they want to<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> and combines<br>
their vote in a fair way</font>.<br>
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> There is always a trade-off between guaranteed local representation (small<br>
> districts) and proportionality (large districts),<br>
> whatever the voting system.<br>
<br>
Local representation isn't that important. The benefit that is called<br>
'local representation' is the ability of the voters to directly control<br>
their representative.<br>
<br>
Under a party list system, the voters exert control on a party and thus only<br>
indirectly on the members of the party.<br>
<br>
Under PR-STV and single seaters, they voters exert control directly on the<br>
elected members. Each member must personally get enough votes if he is to<br>
be elected. The voters know specifically which candidate represents them.<br>
<br>
> While STV-PR, as normally implemented, might reduce<br>
> the effective threshold to gain representation for<br>
> parties nationally,<br>
<br>
I assume that you mean 'increase' not 'reduce'?<br>
<br>
> that loss has to be set against the gains for the voters of<br>
> more localised representation and of shifting the<br>
> balance of power and accountability from the parties to the voters.<br>
<br>
Right.<br>
<br>
However, ignoring logistics, PR-STV with a single constituency would not<br>
have any tradeoff. There would be (near) perfect PR and each voter would<br>
be directly represented by someone they choose.<br>
<br>
The logistics ofc are the big problem. I think a reasonable compromise would<br>
be to have local candidates only on the ballot and have spaces for write in<br>
codes for all candidates in the country.<br>
<br>
Maybe, each candidate would be allowed to pick which polling stations that he<br>
is on the ballot for. The limit could be polling stations covering around<br>
4-5 seats worth of voters. This limit might be increased for candidates<br>
who were already elected or managed to reach a threshold in a previous election.<br>
<br>
In effect, each candidate would create his own district.<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">, so gerrymandering becomes<br>
less relevant.<br>
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<div id="sig1483" style="clear: both;"><font>Raphfrk<br>
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Interesting site<br>
"what if anyone could modify the laws"<br>
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www.wikocracy.com</font></div>
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