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> From: AllAbout Voting <<a href="mailto:AllAboutVoting@gmail.com">AllAboutVoting@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> >[Jan Kok] Let's try a DP poll!<br>
> >...<br>
> >This is the proposed poll topic and title:<br>
> >*** What is the best place to host the US-Iraq Conflict forum?<br>
> Jan,<br>
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> Can you give us more information about what features the forum will need?<br>
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Also, is the objective to have a DP forum or is it to find a <br>
reasonable forum? As you say, there are lots of places such forums <br>
occur.<br>
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One issue all forums face is that alot of people tend to talk to<br>
those that agree with them. The trick is get people from both<br>
sides participating.<br>
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> In particular, does it itself need to support DP polls?<br>
> (If yes, then I am not aware of any site that is suitable. I don't<br>
> share Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's view that the idea is central and the<br>
> tools don't matter. Having a site with good DP tools will help the<br>
> idea function and propagate!!)<br>
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I totally agree. Proxy expansion is alot of work to be done manually. <br>
I was thinking about a software implementation, and even that would <br>
put alot of load on the server. This means that assuming that it isn't <br>
an issue isn't reasonable. People will want to be able to look at a poll <br>
and just see the expansion numbers, they won't want to have to go <br>
through the list and manually expand the proxies.<br>
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There would be 2 steps<br>
1) expand proxy lists -> same for everyone<br>
2) apply sock puppet removal weightings -> potentially different for each user<br>
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When a proxy votes, it would require recalculation of the entire poll<br>
for all users of the forum. If there is some common way of telling who<br>
is and is not a sock puppet, then the 2nd step can be removed. <br>
However, that requires a central authority. Alternatively, each<br>
forum could have its own approved list. To be designated "not<br>
a sock puppet" would require approval along the proxy chain.<br>
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On the same lines (keep user effort to a minimum), I am not so sure <br>
recommending moving the discussion to the RV list is a great idea. <br>
The problem is that everyone on this list would have to register <br>
on the RV list. This would only take a few mins, but it is an <br>
annoyance that most couldn't be bothered with.<br>
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NOTE: you can send messages to both lists by including <br>
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<a href="mailto:RangeVoting@yahoogroups.com">RangeVoting@yahoogroups.com</a> <br>
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in the header. This would allow people participate in the discussions <br>
even if they don't vote.<br>
<br>
OTOH, this list is now closed to the public, you have to subscribe to<br>
see the archives.<br>
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The main point that Abd makes is that a FA system must at its root<br>
allow people to setup alternative forums. This provides a safety<br>
value for concentrations of power.<br>
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I was thinking about how to do it with software. Vbulletin forum<br>
software is designed to allow extensions. A plugin is written<br>
that overrides default operation of the forum. Perhaps a DP plugin<br>
could be created.<br>
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Also, some kind of simple (computer readable) standard could be <br>
created. A person could create an identity by storing an XML file<br>
on a web server somewhere. <br>
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It would list the person's proxies, the person's clients and any<br>
other meta data that would be useful.<br>
<br>
When they would register with a DP enabled forum, they would provide<br>
a link to their XML page (or the server could host it if they wish).<br>
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This does have an issue that it creates a single point of failure.<br>
If the person loses control of their XML page, they lose their <br>
identity. Perhaps people would be encouraged to have at least 3<br>
XML pages. All 3 would be (normally) identical, but if one was lost <br>
or compromised, then 2 of the 3 would count as the person. Perhaps,<br>
something like the DHCP lease could be implemented.
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