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<div>--- In <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/post?postID=7kXP-oz6EcUgU1z5kQXAjQk4xwu8Moratv97CuW_qPnD12f0Gdol5HuS3Zk2pjlTZsP3xYeFzM-lZoe-1YLLB6Oz">RangeVoting@yahoogroups.com</a>, "warren_d_smith31" <wds@...> wrote:><br>
> >Nope! I wrote that __only where a state "refuses to publish the data<br>
> needed to calculate the pairwise matrix"__ the ballots from this state<br>
> should be interpreted as FPP ballots.<br>
><br>
> --true. And in the event the data IS available for pairwise, I<br>
> presume you intend to use pairwise, i.e. not IRV (which ignores<br>
> pairwise data), but Schulze. Either way, you overrule IRV, either<br>
> with the Schulze winner, or the plurality winner. I am simply<br>
> following what you say and explaining its consequence - that you tell<br>
> IRV-using states to go to hell.<br>
> They won't like that.<br>
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I think that *ALL* NPV winner systems do this. You need to decide on<br>
a way to consolidate the votes from all the States. Under the current<br>
NPV system, plurality is assumed. It is not even entirely clear that<br>
States that don't use plurality would even be counted.<br>
<br>
Also, even the improvements to the current NPV system suggested <br>
on the RV list assumes that approval will be the method to consolidate<br>
the votes.<br>
<br>
Ultimately, for NPV to work, you must pick a method to consolidate the<br>
votes and a mapping system for mapping ballots (or results) from other<br>
voting methods to the selected voting system.<br>
<br>
Approval is not automatically better than condorcet as the<br>
consolidating method. Its simplicity gives it a boost.<br>
<br>
Perhaps (if we had a time machine and ... erm access to the relevant<br>
politicians), we could have suggested that the NPV Compact actually<br>
explicitally state that that is what they are doing. The Compact<br>
States would have some method for selecting what voting method they<br>
want to use and then all results from all States would be mapped to<br>
that voting method as accurately as possible.<br>
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<div style="clear: both;">Raphfrk<br>
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Interesting site<br>
"what if anyone could modify the laws"<br>
<br>
www.wikocracy.com</div>
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