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<dd>>The reason I wouldn't have chosen E over B, C, or D on a ranked
ballot
<dd>>with A as an alternative is that B, C, D "trumped" E on
every issue that
<dd>>was not the single one that A&E agreed upon.<br><br>
<dd>And yet, you already stated you would prefer E pairwise over any of
the
<dd>three. So why, oh why, would you rank E below them? In
what meaningful
<dd>sense do you rank any of those three over E? Agreeing with them
on more
<dd>issues is irrelevant if the one issue you support E on trumps all
others.</font><br><br>
</dl>I thought I'd explained that. Let me try again.<br>
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Issue 1 makes A>B>C>D and ties A=E, but that's only one issue.
Issues two through 10 makes B=C=D>E, so since A covers issue 1
and issues 2-10 and E fails 2-10 and none of B,C,D fail issue 2/3, when A
is in the picture A>B>C>D>E. When A is NOT in the picture, my
issue 1 puts E over B,C,D. (I guess I'd have to hold my nose, but that
wouldn't mean I wasn't sincere or logical/rational).</blockquote><br>
Right, I understood all of this, and still believe it to be
illogical. You prefer E to B,C,D. The presence or lack
thereof of A is irrelevant. You prefer A to B, A to E, and E to
B. Transitive. QED.<br><br>
Now, if this were multi-winner, you could have a point. Perhaps
you're more interested in getting a balance of your views represented on
the council, as long as you get your key view represented by A.
But, if given a choice between ONLY E and ONLY B, you pick E. So
there's really no reason at all, in single-winner Condorcet, to vote
anything but A>E>B>C>D.<br>
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<dd>>But once A is out of the picture, there's one issue that E trumps
B, C,
<dd>>and D on. And if A&E are both out of the picture than my
sincere ordering
<dd>>of B, C, D could well change.<br><br>
<dd>To which I once again ask, why? Why does the existence or
absence of
<dd>another alternative change how you feel about B relative to C?
Note that
<dd>even within a group, such reversal of preferences is not part of
<dd>Condorcet's paradox.</font><br><br>
</dl>See above. I've provided an example where one issue trumps all
others because "I" am a radical pro-lifer. As long as there's
somebody in the choices that supports that and a lot of other of my
issues, the one who supports attack weapons and capital punishment is
lowest on my totem pole. But take out the one who supports my position on
those three issues, I'll move up the idiot who likes AK-47s and capital
punishment JUST because she also supports anti-abortion
legisletion.</blockquote><br>
If you were going to move him up in the situation where A doesn't win,
you may as well put him up there anyway. There's no prize for
second place. All you're really saying here is that you have the
preference (A+B)>(A+E). That's relevant for multi-winner, but
not single-winner.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>We need to axiomitize the study and
stop saying "any input that is illogical within the context of the
method" is not worth worrying about.</blockquote><br>
I'm not arguing it's illogical merely within the context of the
method. I'm arguing that it is illogical, period.<br><br>
-Adam</html>