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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Arrow's axioms do NOT apply to real world,
since he wants to make ranked results from ranked individual choices, while
strict ranking of preferences is incompatible with human
nature.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We all would find very difficult to make a strict
and fixed order of preference between different choices. All preference are
based on multidimensionnal criterions, and to order them you must choose
a ponderation, which are by the human nature NOT fixed. In those
conditions, making an election is not more than multiplying the number of
dimensions by the number of voters. So, I see no reason why we should restrict
to a strict preference order in the community choice, if we are not able to
make it in an indiviual choice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm currently working on a fully different way of
implementing democracy. This idea is not based on a vote system as we know it,
and is much more repectful of human nature. There are still a few problems with
it, but it would solve many of the problems with the election systems.
(it works a little like a neural structure)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Philippe Errembault</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=kjinnovation@earthlink.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 05, 2004 7:34
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [EM] Arrow's axioms</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid20040305072505.10481.79506.Mailman@geronimo.dreamhost.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 23:27:06 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20Venzke?= <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:stepjak@yahoo.fr>"><stepjak@yahoo.fr></A>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Arrow's axioms could well be justifiable, but his proof doesn't provide
the justification. There may be good reasons why CR should be rejected
as a viable election method, but Arrow's premises don't elucidate those
reasons because if the theorem were generalized to encompass cardinal
methods, its conclusion would be that rank methods cannot satisfy the
axioms whereas CR can.
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This is like saying "There may be good reasons why Random Ballot should be
rejected as a viable election method, but Arrow's premises don't elucidate
those reasons because if the theorem were generalized to encompass dictatorship
methods, its conclusion would be that non-dictatorial methods cannot satisfy
the axioms whereas Random Ballot can."
I hope it's evident why this is a strange way of speaking.
Kevin Venzke
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Kevin,<BR><BR>It isn't evident. It is reasonable to
stipulate non-dictatorship axiomatically because this principle is
non-controversial and nobody is championing dictatorship as a viable election
method. On the other hand, if the objective of elections is to maximize
"social utility", then CR probably represents the simplest and most natural
way to measure (or at least define) social utility, and it should not be
excluded from consideration axiomatically.<BR><BR>Ken
Johnson<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>