[EM] Questions about Majority-Beat vs Plurality-Beat Condorcet

[Kevin Venzke]

Hi Toby,

I think it must not be the same criterion.

It doesn't seem like Moulin's incompatibility proof assumes determinism.

I see on the Talk page Markus has helpfully linked it, or his interpretation of it:
http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2003-October/011042.html

I don't know how to compute the Maximal Lotteries method to try the proof, though.

Kevin
votingmethods.net



Le dimanche 5 avril 2026 à 08:29:27 UTC−5, Toby Pereira <tdp201b at yahoo.co.uk> a écrit :
> 
> My understanding was that Maximal Lotteries (a non-deterministic Condorcet method) did pass participation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximal_lotteries
> 
> Toby
> 
> On Saturday, 4 April 2026 at 01:16:10 BST, Kevin Venzke via Election-Methods <election-methods at lists.electorama.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Definitely not. Very few methods satisfy Participation, certainly not ones that
>> resemble Condorcet. The most complicated Participation methods are DAC and DSC.
>> 
>> 
>> Kevin
>> votingmethods.net