[EM] Condorcet mention in a relatively mainstream context

[Michael Garman]

Yes, they’re remarkably annoying, aren’t they? Though you may not agree as
you seem to share their commitment to pigheaded stubbornness and
demonization of people who don’t think exactly like you.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 8:18 PM robert bristow-johnson via Election-Methods
<election-methods at lists.electorama.com> wrote:

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> > On 06/26/2025 8:07 PM EDT Michael Garman <michael.garman at rankthevote.us>
> wrote:
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> > > Don’t send anything that could be construed as annoying
> >
> > How much better life would be if you took your own advice.
> >
>
> Sometimes speaking (or writing) the truth annoys dishonest, deceived, or
> deluded people.
>
> A current example are Trumpers.
>
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> r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj at audioimagination.com
>
> "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
>
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> > On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 6:46 PM robert bristow-johnson via
> Election-Methods <election-methods at lists.electorama.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  > On 06/26/2025 6:25 PM EDT Closed Limelike Curves <
> closed.limelike.curves at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Could you pass his email along to me and let him know the Equal
> Vote Coalition is interested in talking to him?
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >
> > >  I'll send you, direct, his email address. When you contact him,
> please be sure you use your real identity and not a pseudonym.
> > >
> > >  Also, we Condorcetists have talked about Equal Vote Coalition. We're
> jealous as hell of the organization name and the domain equal.vote (
> http://equal.vote) . Condorcet deserves that moniker. We are more
> "equality of the vote" than anyone else (other than FPTP).
> > >
> > >  Our organization name sucks, in my opinion. But we (the
> Condorcetists) want nothing to do with STAR or Score or Approval. I'm not
> on board with everything that Better Choices are doing. They need to get a
> lot less Ivory Tower. We must not cede to FairVote the term "Ranked-Choice
> Voting" (Condorcet RCV is as much RCV as IRV is, as are also Borda and
> Bucklin).
> > >
> > >  And we need to point out what the practical consequences are when the
> "Consensus" candidate (a.k.a. Condorcet winner) is *not* elected with IRV.
> We need to make it clear that when that happens, the election is spoiled,
> voters are punished for voting sincerely (thus incentivizing tactical
> voting), that a simple majority of voters were thwarted and their votes
> were counted *less* per vote than the votes coming from the voters who
> supported the IRV winner. And we also need to make a big stink about the
> loss of summability that comes with IRV.
> > >
> > >  CES and EVC both have taken on FairVote a little regarding Burlington
> 2009 and Alaska 2022, but they the only offer Approval or STAR as
> solutions. That ignores the obvious question: "If the failures of IRV in
> Burlington or Alaska were that the Condorcet winner was not elected, then
> why isn't the solution to just elect the Condorcet winner?" They won't
> fucking answer the question, they wanna toss the baby (the ranked ballot)
> out with the bathwater (IRV).
> > >
> > >  Anyway, Closed, I thought I used to know your name, but I forgot. I
> will send you Ned's email (I got the emails of the other founders who you
> see on that page at Better Choices), and you can tell him how you got it.
> But don't send him anything that could be construed as annoying. So please
> send him email with your *real* name and not a pseudonym. For as much as I
> know, Ned is getting these emails.
> > >
> > >
> > >  --
> > >
> > >  r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj at audioimagination.com
> > >
> > >  "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
> > >
> > >  .
> > >  .
> > >  .
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