[EM] Taking a break

[Closed Limelike Curves]

Hi Kristofer,

I hope this message finds you well. I understand your decision to take a
break from the Election Methods (EM) list, and I respect your need for some
time away. Your contributions have been invaluable, and while your presence
will be missed, it's important to make sure you're feeling well and not
overworking yourself.

I’ve always admired the way you handle things with such respect and
professionalism, even when we didn’t see eye to eye. Your integrity shines
through in every discussion, and that’s something I deeply respect.

So while you’re taking this breather, know your presence will be missed.
Take care, and catch you later!

On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 9:34 AM Richard, the VoteFair guy <
electionmethods at votefair.org> wrote:

> Kristofer ~
>
> You are the E-M list participant whose opinions I value the most!  I
> read your posts much more carefully than posts from any other participant.
>
> In addition, I greatly appreciate your use of your software to reveal
> very important insights.
>
> Especially recently regarding HOW OFTEN failures/disadvantages occur in
> the various methods.  That has helped reduce the myopic tendency to
> focus on the simplistic, binary categorization regarding whether a
> method "never fails" or "can possibly fail" a fairness criterion.
>
> Also your recent calculations reveal that a compromise between Condercet
> methods and IRV-like eliminations yields lower vulnerabilities to
> failures that involve strategic/tactical voting.  Here I'm thinking of
> increased appreciation for the Benham, Condorcet-IRV, Smith-IRV, and
> Ranked Choice Including Pairwise Elimination methods.
>
> I too stopped responding to every misrepresentation/mischaracterization
> here in the forum.
>
> I'm in the process of figuring out how to highlight and summarize lots
> of misunderstandings so that Oregon can adopt the
> Oregon-state-legislature-approved referendum that will adopt ranked
> choice ballots for electing Oregon governors and Oregon members of
> Congress.  That's where it will be most helpful to get cooperation in
> election-method reform.  Especially from Star voting promoters who seem
> to be learning the wrong lessons from the recent defeat of that method
> in Eugene Oregon.
>
> I'm hoping that collaboration among election-method reformers happens in
> time to stop our planet from getting toasted.  It's a long road because
> single-winner elections are just the first step toward PR methods for
> legislatures, which is where elected politicians can change laws to
> yield dramatically better benefits for voters.  (Of course voters
> outnumber the biggest campaign contributors, yet those contributors
> currently control big political parties by exploiting plurality
> vulnerabilities.)
>
> Otherwise I'm just scanning posts in this forum mostly to keep on top of
> any new insights.
>
> I too am tired of the same opinions being repeated without those writers
> apparently reading and understanding what others point out.
>
> Kristofer, I'll miss your contributions.
>
> You are correct that Wikipedia needs lots of help!  I gave up on that
> battlefield when I realized that editors/writers have become the
> majority of admins.  Subject-matter-experts have been booted out.  I was
> never banned but it came too close mostly because I hurt an admin's ego.
>   Plus it's difficult to find academic references to every detail that
> subject-matter experts know, especially on topics such as election
> methods where governments don't pay academics to do meaningful
> pioneering research of the kinds you, Kristofer, have been pioneering
> here.  Sad.  Yet Wikipedia is a battlefield worth fighting on.
>
> FWIW, I also now seldom write posts on the r/EndFPTP because a bot
> downvotes everything I post.  Specifically it immediately downvotes each
> new post, and then adds downvotes to keep the voting ratio around 80
> percent (upvotes per overall votes) to prevent those posts from the E-M
> version of "going viral."  Sometimes I write comments there, but mostly
> those get attention only from someone who has time to repeatedly argue I
> am wrong and they are right.  I finally stopped responding to every one
> of those misunderstandings -- including ones from some people who also
> read this forum.
>
> Kristofer, I hope you continue to at least sometimes scan some messages
> in this forum.  Perhaps to recognize times when you can write a few
> sentences to keep these discussions from being overwhelmed by repeated
> biased opinions.
>
> Again, thank you Kristofer for all your contributions!!!!!!  They have
> increased the rate at which civilization is slowly progressing toward
> higher levels of democracy!!!
>
> Richard Fobes
> The VoteFair guy
>
>
>
> On 5/26/2024 5:28 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
> > I've decided to take a break from EM. I'm not sure if I'll unsubscribe
> > or just not read the list mails.
> >
> > Part of this is the Wikipedia stuff. Part is real world things unrelated
> > to EM. And part of it is that I don't have enough energy left to defend
> > my opinions, and there's been a lot of "why do you think X" mails on
> > list lately.
> >
> > Now, "why do you think X" is perfectly legitimate. Responding to them
> > would just require more than I have at the moment.
> >
> > I'll end by saying two things. First, to echo Michael's earlier plonk
> > post: if someone says something outrageous or bizarre and you see no
> > response from me, that's not because I agree. It's because I didn't see
> it.
> >
> > Second: just to repeat, if anybody wants to start doing Wikipedia work,
> > let me know by mail and I'll give a list of articles that could be
> > improved, and how.
> >
> > I think that should be it.
> >
> > Oh, one more thing. I was doing some cleanup of one of my list folders.
> > But in retrospect, I think my email filter that sends things to the list
> > folders has been too broad. Thus, mails sent directly to me, off-list to
> > this email address with an [EM] tag in the subject might have been sent
> > to a list folder instead, and so I might have deleted them.
> >
> > -km
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