[EM] inaccurate Fargo approval voting results

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If you mean “the system” of peer review (for missing this), well, you’re
not wrong; but the voting system doesn’t have much to do with the clarity
of the North Dakota State Department’s documentation.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 8:33 PM Michael Garman <michael.garman at rankthevote.us>
wrote:

> The results were still reported incorrectly. That doesn’t inspire
> confidence in the system!
>
> And you keep repeating your delusional conspiracy theories about 2000 and
> 2004. By your own standards, that’s bigoted assertion, not discussion.
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 11:26 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For one thing the errors didn’t wrongly report winners. The correct
>> winners were elected.
>>
>> Unlike some errors in which IRV elected the wrong people.
>>
>> …not quite the same thing :-)
>>
>> Count-fraud wouldn’t be worth the trouble if it didn’t do that too.
>>
>> The mountain of evidence reported by Harpers would be unlikely to be
>> accidental error :-)
>>
>> Especially given that a voting-machine supplier promised to “deliver” the
>> election to G.W. Bush.
>>
>> For details or substantiation I refer you to the Harpers articles after
>> G. W. Bush’s two elections, in 2000 & 2004.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 19:46 Michael Garman <
>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Turns out approval has its own counting vulnerabilities. I hope someone
>>> lets Harper’s magazine know!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 10:42 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the information. Though some of us will write to them about
>>>> the mis-reporting, I hope that you will too, or already have. They should
>>>> definitely hear from the person who noticed it, & not just 2nd-hand.
>>>>
>>>> It’s a relief that the winners have been correctly reported.
>>>>
>>>> Again, thank you for pointing that error out.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 05:28 Evangeline Moore <
>>>> evangeline.moore at ih21.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I work at a Czech institute researching voting methods, and a while
>>>>> back I took an interest in the approval voting elections in Fargo. While I
>>>>> was running the numbers, trying to build a model for a separate project, I
>>>>> noticed that the approval vote results have never been accurately reported
>>>>> in Fargo. The winners are right, but the percentages are not. They've never
>>>>> crossed 50% approval despite being widely reported that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I posted an explanation of this on our website:
>>>>> https://www.ih21.org/aktuality/approval-voting-in-fargo When I
>>>>> realized that another election is coming up and that, as far as I can tell,
>>>>> nobody else has made the methodology publicly known yet, I wanted to get
>>>>> this out there. I also thought you guys might find it interesting.
>>>>>
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