[EM] Reply to an IRVist post on December 17th

[Michael Ossipoff]

On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 00:29 Michael Garman <michael.garman at rankthevote.us>
wrote:

>
In your scenario, the candidate you like second most gets eliminated first,
> and the transfers indicate that the candidate you like least is more
> popular than the one you like most. That’s unfortunate for you, but it
> doesn’t mean IRV is inherently flawed.
>

Then don’t try to lie about it.

I didn’t say that RCV is inherently flawed. I merely said that FairVote’s
honestly & moral character are inherently flawed.


On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 9:18 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 23:32 Michael Garman <
>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Your problem here is that the electorate doesn’t agree with your
>>> preferences, not that the system is broken.
>>>
>>
>> What system? RCV? It isn’t broken, but it’s being fraudulently-promoted.
>>
>> It’s about lying.
>>
>> The public have a right to know what they’re getting & what it will do,
>> when they enact a voting-system.
>>
>> Is the false promotion intended to sell them something that they wouldn’t
>> buy without the lying?
>>
>> Why else lie?
>>
>> That isn’t the conduct of someone who cares about the electorate or the
>> population.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 2:50 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greg—
>>>>
>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best gets
>>>> eliminated.
>>>>
>>>> So all that remains is Worst.
>>>>
>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters
>>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to
>>>>  Worst.
>>>>
>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I
>>>> meant “Good-supporters”.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis <greg.dennis at voterchoicema.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two
>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the
>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round --
>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , unless
>>>>>> your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You &
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Garman said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the running.
>>>>>> Which is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you
>>>>>> cite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Satisfied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & either hir
>>>>>> ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go to Worst.
>>>>>> According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2nd choice.
>>>>>> The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, & so FairVote’s
>>>>>> promise is kept:  Your 2nd choice, Worst is elected !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now:  By our IRVist friend’s
>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice (because
>>>>>> he’s the only remaining candidate).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, further
>>>>>> confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the promotion of RCV.
>>>>>>
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