[EM] triple falsehood of identifying IRV with Hare

Chris Benham cbenhamau at yahoo.com.au
Thu Apr 18 11:35:19 PDT 2024


Richard,

Plenty of places on the net are happy to call single-winner STV the 
"Hare system".

One example:
https://assembly.cornell.edu/elections/hare-system-ranked-choice-voting

Multi-winner STV is  often referred to as the "Hare-Clark" system. It 
uses the Droop
quota, an improvement on the Hare quota.

A "majority" is basically a single-winner Droop quota.

Multi-winner STV also eliminates candidates. To claim that single-winner 
STV and multi-winner
STV work in "opposite", "not in any way similar" ways is absurd.

Chris

> The Hare system is defined as at-large STV/PR like the city elections in
> Cambridge USA.
>
> In three basic ways, it is the opposite of IRV, not in any way similar.
>
> Firstly Hare system is a proportional count; IRV is a majority count.
>
> Secondly, Hare uses at large constituencies. He advocated the exact
> opposite to the Anglo-American single member system or a singlre member
> system like IRV. He proposed one large multi-member system.
>
> Thirdly, any similarity between the preference vote or ranked choice
> vote used by Hare and that used by IRV is contradicted by the opposite
> ways in which they are used. Hare system was an election of quotas (the
> Hare quota) in the order that the electorate chose them.
>
> The IRV ranked choice is no such thing. IRV uses an opposite sort of
> count, not a proportional count but an elimination count. Hare ranked
> choice is a positive choice of candidates in the voters prefered order,
> reaching the equal threshold of the quota.
>
> IRV gives the voters no control of the order in which the candidates are
> elected. It merely eliminates candidates on a last past the post basis,
> to manufacture a mere majority.
>
> In sum, identifying IRV with Hare is a triple falsification of a
> fundamental nature.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Lung.
>
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