[EM] I could use some help with advocacy.

Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet at t-online.de
Fri Apr 16 09:39:46 PDT 2021

On 15/04/2021 19.56, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>> On 04/15/2021 12:29 PM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <km_elmet at t-online.de> wrote:

>> It's called BTR-IRV in this post:
>> https://election-methods.electorama.narkive.com/LKfc52OI/an-example-of-btr-stv#post4
>> (Electowiki also has a page on it:
>> https://electowiki.org/wiki/Bottom-Two-Runoff_IRV)
>> That's Bottom Two Runoff (but also "better").
>> The term "ranked choice voting" is too ambiguous for me to tell whether
>> you could just move it right over and call the method BTR-RCV. To me,
>> "ranked choice" sounds like just another way of saying "ranked", but of
>> course, FairVote thinks differently.
>> -km
> actually at the top of the thread it was called "BTR-STV".  I
> include a screenshot, but i dunno if the list will pass attachments. i
> considered BTR-RCV but i didn't like two "R"s.  i sent Rob LeGrand an
> email longer ago and i don't think he objected.

I think BTR-STV is the multiwinner generalization. It's also called
STV-ME (e.g.

> My personal favorite Condorcet method is not BTR-STV because it is
> still sequential rounds and does not allow equal ranking of candidates.
>  But as I said on this mailing list at least a couple times: **Some**
> Condorcet RCV is better than any non-Condorcet RCV.

It's algorithmically pretty easy to do equal-rank with BTR-IRV: Just
count the first preferences as fractions of a vote when there's a tie.
(There are other options that may be better still, but they're more

This is not as egregrious as fractional Plurality because as soon as all
but one of the equal-ranked candidates have been eliminated, the ballot
counts as full strength for the remaining candidate.

It would be more complex on the vote-counting end, though, so it might
not be worth it.

> Already FairVote is arguing that what happened in Burlington is
> likely to never happen again and happened only once out of something
> like 300 RCV elections.
Steve Eppley's response is probably the best one there: what elections
you get (and how many of them are simple enough for the method to
resolve) depends on what that method is.

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