[EM] I could use some help with advocacy.

VoteFair electionmethods at votefair.org
Tue Apr 13 09:25:03 PDT 2021

Robert, if I'm available I could join you on the Zoom call.

I would be extremely nervous, and prefer having a prepared statement to 
read and/or prepared talking points, yet lately I've been getting 
experience answering election-method questions via video.  In 
particular, some weeks ago I got my feet wet by testifying in an Oregon 
state Senate legislative committee meeting via video.

Although eventually I prefer the Condorcet-Kemeny method, currently I'm 
advocating Ranked Choice Including Pairwise Elimination, aka "RCIPE" 
pronounced "recipe."  That's what we're specifying for the Ranked Choice 
Oregon ballot initiative.  Basically it inserts a "safety net" that 
eliminates the Condorcet loser when there is one.  Of course it would 
have prevented the Burlington failure.

Here in Oregon the fans of STAR voting are pushing the legislature for 
their method, so in response I created the following comparison table 
that compares IRV with STAR and RCIPE.  It should clarify my perspective 
regarding the ambiguous term "RCV."


Feel free to share this document if you think that's appropriate.

You have my email address, so contact me as needed.

Richard Fobes
The VoteFair guy

On 4/12/2021 9:34 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> Hay, I know this is resurrecting a thread.  But I am about to talk with the Vermont House Government Operations Committee about RCV and what happened in Burlington 12 years ago.
> I am sending the legislators my paper: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14assN41UL7Mib9PpwsjM63ZT17k9admC/view?usp=sharing
> and, just for shits and grins, this 2004 Scientific American article that is coauthored by a Nobel laureate, Eric Maskin, that plugs doing it the Condorcet way.  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m6qn6Y7PAQldKNeIH2Tal6AizF7XY2U4/view?usp=sharing
> Are there any scholars here that would like to, via Zoom, help out and appear before a legislative committee in the state of Vermont and testify?  Hopefully, you would be in favor or *some* Condorcet-compliant RCV but even if you're for Approval that would be okay.
> I could use some help to not appear that I am the only person in the world that thinks something was wrong in Burlington 2009 and that this something wrong can actually be fixed.  I think that I have the facts and arguments straight, but I need more people.
> thanks for any help.
> robert

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