[EM] Declaration Status

[Jameson Quinn]

I'd say that the options, in order of importance, are:

1.facebook
2.email with confirmation
3.google plus
4.google account (oauth) login

I can do all of these, as I'm sure Andy could too. I think starting on
askforit is a good beginning, since it apparently already has 1 and 2. I'd
be happy to help with 3 and 4 if I could get source control access to
askforit and if it's in a language I'm comfortable with (python, ruby,
and/or js. I can handle others, but I wouldn't volunteer to.)

Jameson

2011/10/19 Andy Jennings <elections at jenningsstory.com>

> As we gather signatures, I suggest that we create two lists.
>>
>> One list -- the one we have now -- includes credentials -- which can be
>> academic or anything relevant (including just having an interest in election
>> methods).
>>
>> The second list would not list credentials and instead would just have the
>> person's name and location -- by nation and possibly province/state, with a
>> city name being optional.  Each signature would be added to the appropriate
>> list based on what information they supply in their signature.
>>
>
> It has been suggested that we need to streamline the process of letting
> people add their signature.
>
> It wouldn't be too hard to create a web form where people submit their own
> name and location and it automatically gets added to the page.  But then you
> have to mess with moderation and/or profanity and spam filters.  And you
> also have to worry about ballot stuffing.
>
> One way around this, in general, is to make people use a Facebook account.
>  But lots of people still don't have Facebook accounts or don't like to use
> them, so that's not a perfect solution.
>
> At our startup, AskForIt.com, we originally supported only Facebook login,
> but eventually we added the option for people to create an account without
> using Facebook.  Should we try to host the declaration on AskForIt.com?
>  It's probably not the perfect platform right now, but I can get
> functionality added pretty quickly if we need it (and it's okay with the
> other founders).  Another option is a competing site, PetitionSpot.com.
>
> Or we could create our own Facebook app to let people sign on.
>
> Or we could just try to use the Facebook like button as the "join"
> mechanism.  Tell people to "like" the page if they want to join the
> petition.  Then we can use the Facebook social plugins to show faces (and
> first names) of people who've joined.  It will even automatically emphasize
> the friends of whoever is viewing the page.
>
> But I'm guessing a Facebook-only solution is probably not acceptable.  I
> don't even like it very much myself, but it is the easiest way to (mostly)
> make sure that each user is a distinct person.
>
>
>
>> After the wording is finalized and I find the time, I may create a
>> Facebook page to expose the Declaration to young people (who are the ones
>> who will push hardest for election-method reform) and hopefully to collect
>> signatures (or at least "friend" support) from frustrated voters.  (The
>> suggestion of using Facebook came from a door-to-door political-petition
>> signature gatherer.)  That copy would be the one I would want to take the
>> time to format more nicely than the temporary copy I've created at
>> VoteFair.org.
>>
>>
> If we put a Facebook like button on the declaration page and tell people to
> "like" if they want to join, then it can actually be linked to a Facebook
> page so that liking one is the same as liking the other.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>> I think it's time to turn the Declaration over to the world.  They need
>> it.  Now.
>>
>> Richard Fobes
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2011 7:16 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
>>
>>> I am still contacting high profile people who we'd like to sign it.
>>> Personally, I'd avoid calling it "done" quite yet so that we can make
>>> minor changes if these people request it. But if people feel otherwise,
>>> I'd be willing to freeze it in its current state.
>>>
>>> Here's the status of my efforts
>>>
>>>    * I'm pursuing an introduction to Kenneth Arrow through a mutual
>>>
>>>      friend. This should bear fruit in a couple of months (due to
>>>      travel). Personally, I think it's worth the wait.
>>>    * I don't have a contact for Maurice Duverger. Any help there would
>>>
>>>      be good. He's 94 but apparently still going strong; he had an
>>>      editorial in Le Monde just a year ago.
>>>    * I could contact James Buchanan, but first I'd like to see if
>>>
>>>      anyone here has some connection, so that he'd be more inclined to
>>>      view us favorably.
>>>    * I've written to Tony Downs. He's a second-tier name, but if he is
>>>
>>>      interested, he would be a good person to introduce us to Buchanan.
>>>    * I've talked with Steven Brams, Michel Balinski, and Rida Laraki.
>>>
>>>      They all wish us luck, but refuse to sign because of some (in my
>>>      view minor) issue they have with one of the systems we support.
>>>      Brams has not definitively shut the door on signing.
>>>    * Markus Schulze hasn't signed because we support too many systems,
>>>
>>>      which in his view weakens the impact.
>>>    * I have recently emailed James Green-Armytage, who is probably
>>>
>>>      reading this mail here. No response yet.
>>>    * I haven't contacted Nicholas Tideman. He may be reading this too,
>>>
>>>      but if he's not, I would like to get as many high-powered names
>>>      such as those above to sign on before we talk to him.
>>>    * If we had a big-name author, I have a contact with the editor of
>>>      /Science/, so we might be able to get an editorial published.
>>>    * As you can see on the declaration, Warren Smith has already signed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I agree that a good css stylesheet would dramatically improve
>>> the look of the declaration on http://www.votefair.org/**
>>> declaration.html <http://www.votefair.org/declaration.html>.
>>>
>>> Jameson
>>>
>>> 2011/10/18 Andy Jennings <elections at jenningsstory.com
>>> <mailto:elections@**jenningsstory.com <elections at jenningsstory.com>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    So the declaration is all done, right?  Ready to send out to
>>>    everyone we think might be interested?
>>>
>>>    I have a bunch of people I want to notify, but for some reason I
>>>    don't feel like sending them to either the Google Doc or to
>>>    Richard's page (http://www.votefair.org/**declaration.html<http://www.votefair.org/declaration.html>).
>>>  Niether
>>>    seems appropriate for a first impression.
>>>
>>>    Anyone else feel the same way?
>>>
>>>    ~ Andy
>>>
>>>
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