[EM] Meta-criteria 9 of 9: Conclusion

[Juho]

On May 8, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote:

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> 2010/5/7 Juho <juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk>
> On May 7, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
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>> 2010/5/7 Juho <juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk>
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>> My intent was to propose a nonbinding poll which would be conducted  
>> on the same ballots as, and thus simultaneously with, the actual  
>> election. Any valid vote would be interpreted as an answer in the  
>> poll, but this answer could be overridden by the voter, either to  
>> add subtlety, or effectively to say what part of the actual vote  
>> was strategic. This proposal flows from the realization that  
>> expressivity and outcome utility are separate values, and that  
>> forcing them together sometimes brings them into conflict.
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>> I understand that some might argue that this proposal would hurt  
>> legitimacy. What if the election winner was not the poll winner?  
>> Personally, I'd argue that if this is true, it's better to know it.  
>> Either way, the society would get a better understanding of the  
>> true legitimacy of the winners. With a good system, disagreements  
>> would be rare, and so legitimacy overall would increase; and when  
>> they occurred, they could be an important, though symbolic, check  
>> on the mandate of a winner who's true legitimacy is weak.
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> One could claim that TTR is a better system than IRV since TTR  
> collects less information and therefore there is less basis for  
> complaining about strange end results (e.g. not electing the  
> Condorcet winner). :-)
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> I'm sorry... are you seriously arguing this, or doing a reductio ad  
> absurdum? I'm too thick right now to tell. And I don't want to  
> offend you by responding to the wrong intent.
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> JQ

Yes, that was written with some smiley. (I could as well and somewhat  
more seriously have written that IRV is good because it is at least in  
principle a natural path to Condorcet because people will sooner or  
later notice how it differs from the Condorcet methods.)

Juho




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