[EM] Voting systems theory and proportional representationvssimple representation. (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)
kathy.dopp at gmail.com
Mon Mar 15 09:53:46 PDT 2010
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Raph Frank <raphfrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Terry Bouricius
> <terryb at burlingtontelecom.net> wrote:
>> Why would one want to have voters be restricted by the list order of one's
>> favorite candidate, instead of allowing the voters themselves to reorder
>> the party list (as happens with OPEN list systems - unlike closed party
>> list PR)?
> Open list doesn't really allow re-ordering of the party lists. The
> method uses multi-seat plurality to decide which party candidates are
> elected. It is better than having the party list decided centrally.
> There is a possible system where all voters can vote for a few
> candidates and then a party list as their last choice.
> However, that still leads to a large number of choices. For example,
> if there were 50 candidates and 5 parties, then the number of possible
> ballots would be 50*49*5 = 12250.
More than that in the US where partially filled rank choice votes are
legal votes too.
I like the idea of choice, but also of simplicity, equality and
monotonicity. I don't have time to devote to studying this enough now.
>> Is the idea to allow candidates to list candidates outside their
>> own party? Would parties put up with that from candidates they nominate,
>> or wouldn't they insist on that level of party loyalty to receive the
>> party's nomination?
> Quite possibly. However, even if the party insisted on party members
> being put first, it would allow party members to decide how to order
> other party members.
> Also, it reduces the power of the party over candidates. If a party
> tries to throw its weight around, the candidate has the option of
> running as an independent and just listing some of the other party
> members as high ranks.
> It is a trade-off. Ideally, there would be one district and everyone
> would be elected at once using some form of PR-STV. However, this
> would be logistically difficult to achieve. It would place a large
> load on the voters, as they would have to rank a larger number of
> candidates, and also on the counting process due to the large number
> of rounds required. The candidate list method gives some of the
> flexibility of PR-STV and the national level proportionality of party
> list systems.
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