[EM] IRV vs Condorcet again

[Dave Ketchum]

I sent this to NY Greens:
Glad to see more thinking.

Agree that PR needs consideration for legislatures.  For single seat  
we need careful thought as to where to go if leaving Plurality.

Plurality NEEDS primaries to attend to clones within parties - and  
primaries are not enough when clones get nominated in multiple parties.

IRV allows good voter response when there are clones.

Condorcet allows voters to respond a bit better, for it allows equal  
ranking with the same ranked voting.

Plurality NEEDS runoffs when counts approach ties.  TTR helps, but  
does not solve here, for the best liked may not get counted as first  
or second in the voting.

IRV allows voters to express their thoughts, but does not read all  
that the voters say - see Burlington in 2009, where IRV counted as  
third the candidate human counters saw as first:
      After disposing of two minor candidates we see 2981 Kiss, 3294  
Wright, 2554 Montroll.
      With M losing, add 1332 M>K & 767 M>W and Kiss wins, BUT IRV  
does not see what Condorcet would see:
      Add 2043 K>M & 371 K>W and see M liked better than W or
      Add 1513 W>M & 495 W>K and see M liked better than K,
      Meaning human counters, and Condorcet, can see Montroll deserving.

Are we in a cycle?  No, for M is CW.
Near a M>K>W>M cycle?  Change some M>W to W>M.
Near a M>W>K>M cycle?  Change some K>W & M>K to W>K & K>M.

Condorcet counts all that the voters vote.

But, when is a runoff worth its expense.  First, it better be among  
deserving leaders.  TTR gets in trouble in Plurality.  IRV got in  
trouble in Burlington.
      Why not accept near ties, and do such as flip a coin?
      How big a lead does the leader need to deserve being called  
winner without a runoff?  Quite a ways with Plurality or IRV; not far  
with Condorcet, for the voters have expressed their desires more  
completely and the counters have counted all that their ballots say.
      Needs careful thought, but I claim for Condorcet that if the  
lead is too big to deserve getting called a tie, it is big enough to  
be called a win.

So I claim, for Condorcet, not needing primaries or runoffs, election  
should be done in one day, in November.

Write-ins?  Should be permitted for those not nominated, and counted  
as if nominated.

CA Proposition 14?  I have seen different descriptions of what this is  
but if it involves Plurality, TTR, or IRV, I have written against such  
above.

Dave Ketchum