[EM] Two simple alternative voting methods that are fairer than IRV/STV and lack most IRV/STV flaws

Chris Benham cbenhamau at yahoo.com.au
Fri Jan 15 06:29:22 PST 2010


Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote  (14 Jan 2010):

<snip>
>Why does Kathy elsewhere defend Top Two Runoff which isn't monotonic?

"This opinion, stated as fact, is false. Top Two Runoff is a two-step 
system, and monotonicity doesn't refer to such. It refers to the 
effect of a vote on a single ballot as to the result of that ballot 
only. A vote for a candidate on a primary ballot in TTR will always 
help the candidate supported to make it either to a majority and a 
win, or to make it into the runoff. It never hurts that candidate. "
<snip>

A vote for any candidate X in any given IRV  counting round will likewise 
"help X to a majority win or to make it into the next round".

The contention that a "two-step system" (meaning requiring voters to make
two trips to the polls) to elect a single candidate isn't allowed to be judged
in aggregate is absurd.

<snip>
"Did supporters of the Lizard vote for the Wizard in order to create the Lizard 
vs. Wizard election in Louisiana? I rather doubt it. But this wouldn't create a 
monotonicity violation, and the problem is created by eliminations, 
it doesn't exist with repeated balloting."
<snip>

With "repeated balloting" there are no eliminations?  As I undersatnd it, in
"Top Two Runoff" all but the top two first-round vote getters are eliminated
if no candidate gets more than half the votes in the first round.

Chris Benham


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