[EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abd at lomaxdesign.com
Fri Feb 5 09:02:04 PST 2010
At 08:48 PM 2/4/2010, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>... you're running away from the salient question. are those 9 piles
>good enough to resolve the IRV election with 3 candidates or not?
>was salient information lost when the M>K pile was combined with the
>M>K>W pile, enough that could cause the IRV election (with the rules
>above) to be decided differently?
Yes, salient information was lost, or, more accurately, could have
been lost if those were first round totals reported to central
tabulation. Once we know that only three candidates are eligible to
have votes counted, and if a "majority of votes" is irrelevant, i.e.,
IRV is being used as a plurality method, so that "majority" can mean
something other than "majority of ballots containing a vote," then,
yes, M>K and M>K>W are exactly equivalent.
But we cannot know this until all other candidates have been
eliminated, we cannot know which candidates have been eliminated, not
from a single precinct's point of view. The precinct must report, at
least, the first round totals for all candidates, and write-ins
lumped, at least, and those reports are completely missing from what
RBJ proposes. Then, for the report to be useful for later tabulation
with no further report to central tabulation, it must contain, for
each candidate, subsequent rankings, so that the effect of
eliminating that particular candidate can be known.
Lumping write-ins, there are thus six candidates, not five, and
certainly not three. How could a precinct limit itself to reporting
only votes for three candidates when there are five on the ballot
plus write-in? What's the algorithm?
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